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Language evolves. If you met someone who looked 100% like a woman, but you found out that they were biologically male, wouldn't you feel stupid calling her a man? What makes a woman btw, in your opinion? A vagina?
It was unclear to me what triggered the beating. I wouldn't have known the victim was transgendered from what I saw. What I did notice was that it was 2 blacks beating up on a white and wondered if there was an element of racism in the attack?
Quote from: Heinrich on April 24, 2011, 11:31:39 AMLanguage evolves. If you met someone who looked 100% like a woman, but you found out that they were biologically male, wouldn't you feel stupid calling her a man? What makes a woman btw, in your opinion? A vagina?I think that it's more who the person presented to be when you first got to know them, so if I met a person with a penis who dressed as a female and who identified himself/herself as a woman from the beginning, I would call him/her "she" but if I met someone who presented as a man first, I would have a much harder time calling him "she" because the fact that he's a "he" is already wired in my brain.
I will also not abuse vocabulary and definitions I see as very well defined as well as reasonably fundamental to human reproductive biology and our society in general.
Quote from: Queen Victoria on April 24, 2011, 11:42:50 AMIt was unclear to me what triggered the beating. I wouldn't have known the victim was transgendered from what I saw. What I did notice was that it was 2 blacks beating up on a white and wondered if there was an element of racism in the attack? Read a couple of articles, and it does seem to be gender related. Things said similar to, that's a man going in the ladies room. The victim said she was first approached with being accused of trying to talk to one of the attacker's man or something like that. Got the impression they went into the bathroom after her, not something that started in the bathroom. Race wasn't mentioned, but didn't find any statements from the attackers, so not sure.
Quote from: Jack on April 24, 2011, 11:46:50 AMQuote from: Queen Victoria on April 24, 2011, 11:42:50 AMIt was unclear to me what triggered the beating. I wouldn't have known the victim was transgendered from what I saw. What I did notice was that it was 2 blacks beating up on a white and wondered if there was an element of racism in the attack? Read a couple of articles, and it does seem to be gender related. Things said similar to, that's a man going in the ladies room. The victim said she was first approached with being accused of trying to talk to one of the attacker's man or something like that. Got the impression they went into the bathroom after her, not something that started in the bathroom. Race wasn't mentioned, but didn't find any statements from the attackers, so not sure. Just watch the victim's video statement on youtube and it may not have been gender related at all. More of 'that's my man' kind of thing. Edit: forgot to paste the link.
I still don't see why though? I mean how is it a problem for a transwoman to be referred to as a woman? Why does that bother you?Also plenty of biological women can't have kids
Quote from: Jack on April 24, 2011, 12:08:29 PMQuote from: Jack on April 24, 2011, 11:46:50 AMQuote from: Queen Victoria on April 24, 2011, 11:42:50 AMIt was unclear to me what triggered the beating. I wouldn't have known the victim was transgendered from what I saw. What I did notice was that it was 2 blacks beating up on a white and wondered if there was an element of racism in the attack? Read a couple of articles, and it does seem to be gender related. Things said similar to, that's a man going in the ladies room. The victim said she was first approached with being accused of trying to talk to one of the attacker's man or something like that. Got the impression they went into the bathroom after her, not something that started in the bathroom. Race wasn't mentioned, but didn't find any statements from the attackers, so not sure. Just watch the victim's video statement on youtube and it may not have been gender related at all. More of 'that's my man' kind of thing. Edit: forgot to paste the link.I saw a statement from the victim who thought that her race may have played a part as well as that the "man" of one of the attackers had spoken to her and she answered. I think that one of the attackers made a statement that the attack happened because it was a "Dude in the ladies' bathroom." Apparently one of the attackers was just 14 years old.http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-beating-20110423,0,3336656.story?page=1
Quote from: Heinrich on April 24, 2011, 12:02:53 PMI still don't see why though? I mean how is it a problem for a transwoman to be referred to as a woman? Why does that bother you?Also plenty of biological women can't have kidsIt's a simple matter of definition. I never said a trans can't call him/her whatever s/he likes, I simply said that I won't.