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Quote from: RageBeoulve on January 16, 2009, 10:24:22 PMI will make it very simple. Come and try to take away my firearms. I will kill you. Understand me?And end up in jail?
I will make it very simple. Come and try to take away my firearms. I will kill you. Understand me?
Quote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 12:06:51 PMQuote from: RageBeoulve on January 16, 2009, 10:24:22 PMI will make it very simple. Come and try to take away my firearms. I will kill you. Understand me?And end up in jail?To be honest man, i'd rather die fighting for my right to bear arms then live in a society which has been stripped of it's ability to defend it's freedom.
I very much doubt you could do much if the state decided to change the rules,
Quote from: RageBeoulve on January 17, 2009, 12:20:15 PMQuote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 12:06:51 PMQuote from: RageBeoulve on January 16, 2009, 10:24:22 PMI will make it very simple. Come and try to take away my firearms. I will kill you. Understand me?And end up in jail?To be honest man, i'd rather die fighting for my right to bear arms then live in a society which has been stripped of it's ability to defend it's freedom.The guns in your society--the firearms owned by private citizens, legally or illegally--aren't used to defend your country's freedom, though, are they?Against whom would you defend yourself? I very much doubt you could do much if the state decided to change the rules, and if the attack came from outside your country the army would handle it.
Quote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 12:28:59 PMQuote from: RageBeoulve on January 17, 2009, 12:20:15 PMQuote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 12:06:51 PMQuote from: RageBeoulve on January 16, 2009, 10:24:22 PMI will make it very simple. Come and try to take away my firearms. I will kill you. Understand me?And end up in jail?To be honest man, i'd rather die fighting for my right to bear arms then live in a society which has been stripped of it's ability to defend it's freedom.The guns in your society--the firearms owned by private citizens, legally or illegally--aren't used to defend your country's freedom, though, are they?Against whom would you defend yourself? I very much doubt you could do much if the state decided to change the rules, and if the attack came from outside your country the army would handle it.Valid points o-man. But what about the right to form militia if our freedom is threatened by our own government? It is possible that may happen in the future, and i'd feel a lot better with a way to protect myself.
Plus i'm a hunter. I have lots of guns and I use them all periodically on hunting trips.
Quote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 12:28:59 PMI very much doubt you could do much if the state decided to change the rules,That thinking is a sure recipe for failure. If the state changes the rules without asking the people, it's the people's goddamn right to attack the state.
Yes, I can see why you'd think so, but my point is that the firearms owned by private citizens won't make much of a difference.
You'll never self-actualize the subconscious canopy of stardust with that attitude.
Quote from: TheoK on January 17, 2009, 12:31:51 PMQuote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 12:28:59 PMI very much doubt you could do much if the state decided to change the rules,That thinking is a sure recipe for failure. If the state changes the rules without asking the people, it's the people's goddamn right to attack the state. Always the fanatic, you, which is why most people dismiss your opinions directly. If you'd been prepared to consider other viewpoints than your own we might have had the discussion Rage sees.Learn from Rage. He is, as you say, brave.
In Europe it's extremely different to make people understand that they might have to fight their governments, at least in countries that were never occupied by the commies.
They have no right to decide whatsoever from the very beginning. The people has never given a state any rights to begin with, like I said in the other thread. They invented "democracy" when they couldn't fool people with religion anymore. But they still got their power in a criminal way to start with, by taking it by force from the people.
Quote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 01:15:42 PMYes, I can see why you'd think so, but my point is that the firearms owned by private citizens won't make much of a difference. What kind of a scenario are you envisioning? What resources do you think would be more effective?
Quote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 01:17:27 PMQuote from: TheoK on January 17, 2009, 12:31:51 PMQuote from: odeon on January 17, 2009, 12:28:59 PMI very much doubt you could do much if the state decided to change the rules,That thinking is a sure recipe for failure. If the state changes the rules without asking the people, it's the people's goddamn right to attack the state. Always the fanatic, you, which is why most people dismiss your opinions directly. If you'd been prepared to consider other viewpoints than your own we might have had the discussion Rage sees.Learn from Rage. He is, as you say, brave.Well. I just consider that other people just might know something I don't, but I voice my opinion. My opinion was formed from a difficult string of past events, but I keep an open mind and consider the fact that billions upon billions of people also have alternate experiences.I do think you underestimate america's potential for militias though odeon. There are private organizations which hold very large weapons caches, and you have prior sevice men like myself which have been trained to fight previously. Militia might not win against the government, but I think they probably want to avoid such a difficult and bloody conflict. It would not be pleasant.