The right to bear arms

[Litigious]

Tempted to move there, eh?

Yep. Cheap gasoline, guns, nice women...cheap cigars and alcohol too, by the way. 

[McGiver]

Or not.

Let's face it; we're out of controversial subjects, at the moment.

I am soooooooo disappointed!!

We could always drag each other through this shit, again.

Chavez promises a socialist Venezuela as he starts new 6-year term

What I like about Chavez is that he annoys Bush. Other than that, I have no idea.

I've been to Venezuela. The gasoline costs about 0.3 SEK/litre there or 17 cents/gallon! Also, I think that they have the right to bear arms, at least I saw some private citizens bearing guns openly. So their gasoline is cheap, they're not cowards...and their women are beautiful too.

i hear tell that they have trees that grow cocaine.

[ozymandias]

Too tropical for me!!  Besides now, Chavez wants the right to rule by "decree".  Can you guess what's coming next??

[Litigious]

Or not.

Let's face it; we're out of controversial subjects, at the moment.

I am soooooooo disappointed!!

We could always drag each other through this shit, again.

Chavez promises a socialist Venezuela as he starts new 6-year term

What I like about Chavez is that he annoys Bush. Other than that, I have no idea.

I've been to Venezuela. The gasoline costs about 0.3 SEK/litre there or 17 cents/gallon! Also, I think that they have the right to bear arms, at least I saw some private citizens bearing guns openly. So their gasoline is cheap, they're not cowards...and their women are beautiful too.

i hear tell that they have trees that grow cocaine.

Probably true. I guess I could easily had bought some if I'd asked around, but I couldn't bother. 

[DirtDawg]

Yesterday, a nutcase took a newly bought handgun into where he worked and shot four people in the legs. It caught my attention, because it is a handicapped employment facility across the street from one of the locations of the company I used to work for.

This guy had been diagnosed with depression, bi-polar disorder, and schizophrenia, and yet he was able to just walk in and buy a gun, by simply waiting for the delay period to be over, then he proceded to go shoot the people who were probably bullying him at work. Some kind of check should have been done on him to prevent this crime. Rather than registering guns maybe they should register nutcases.

As a (former) member of the NRA, gun owner, gun collector, outdoorsman, and enthusiastic hunter for many years, I have been strongly on the pro gun side of this issue most of my life. I don't want us to have to give up our guns, but something needs to change. I just don't know what.

FUCK!

[McGiver]

ironic that he decided to shoot them in the legs at a disability center.

[DirtDawg]

The whole thing is weird. I know it's not against the law to be nuts, but it should be a little harder to get a gun, impossible for some people, and that view goes against one of our treasured freedoms. I can't ignore this one goofy crime, though, for some reason.

[Litigious]

That's the way legal gun owners reason in Sweden and most other European countries, and that's why most law abiding people don't even bother to try to get guns; it's too difficult to get it, shooting club membership is compulsary for the rest of your life for one hand guns and there is no right to carry...Gun control is a downgoing spiral...

[McGiver]

The whole thing is weird. I know it's not against the law to be nuts, but it should be a little harder to get a gun, impossible for some people, and that view goes against one of our treasured freedoms. I can't ignore this one goofy crime, though, for some reason.

i still think its a small price to pay.

i wonder if i will change my thinking if something aweful happens to someone close to me and involving a firearm.

[Litigious]

The whole thing is weird. I know it's not against the law to be nuts, but it should be a little harder to get a gun, impossible for some people, and that view goes against one of our treasured freedoms. I can't ignore this one goofy crime, though, for some reason.

i still think its a small price to pay.

i wonder if i will change my thinking if something aweful happens to someone close to me and involving a firearm.

It doesn't make sense. What if someone near you is killed or mutilated by a car? Will you forbid or restrict car ownership then? Why don't the authorities make more to stop the killings in the traffic? Because cars don't threaten their power! That's what all this cynical charade about restricting or banning guns is about...

[McGiver]

The whole thing is weird. I know it's not against the law to be nuts, but it should be a little harder to get a gun, impossible for some people, and that view goes against one of our treasured freedoms. I can't ignore this one goofy crime, though, for some reason.

i still think its a small price to pay.

i wonder if i will change my thinking if something aweful happens to someone close to me and involving a firearm.

It doesn't make sense. What if someone near you is killed or mutilated by a car? Will you forbid or restrict car ownership then? Why don't the authorities make more to stop the killings in the traffic? Because cars don't threaten their power! That's what all this cynical charade about restricting or banning guns is about...

your argument is acceptable to me.  and i think you are probably correct.
its about power.

whenever i cannot figure out the logic of something, i usually begin to follow the money trail.

[DirtDawg]

i wonder if i will change my thinking if something aweful happens to someone close to me and involving a firearm.

Nah, that just makes you keep your gun closer at all times. Going "equalized" is very comforting after you've witnessed a tragedy.

[DirtDawg]

The whole thing is weird. I know it's not against the law to be nuts, but it should be a little harder to get a gun, impossible for some people, and that view goes against one of our treasured freedoms. I can't ignore this one goofy crime, though, for some reason.

i still think its a small price to pay.

i wonder if i will change my thinking if something aweful happens to someone close to me and involving a firearm.

It doesn't make sense. What if someone near you is killed or mutilated by a car? Will you forbid or restrict car ownership then? Why don't the authorities make more to stop the killings in the traffic? Because cars don't threaten their power! That's what all this cynical charade about restricting or banning guns is about...

I'm not switching sides, Tig. I'm just going through another questioning period involving my value system on many levels. This issue is causing me some doubtful stress. Please, continue to tell me how full of shit I sound, when ever applicable.

[Litigious]

I'm not switching sides, Tig. I'm just going through another questioning period involving my value system on many levels. This issue is causing me some doubtful stress. Please, continue to tell me how full of shit I sound, when ever applicable.

You're not full of shit, since you feel honest concern about other human beings. The authorities, however, are full of shit, since they're not restricting/banning guns for the sake of public safety but to stop the people from being able to defend themselves against oppression. It's so fucking obvious, though most NTs believe or pretend to believe their crap...

[odeon]

That's awful, DD.

My first thought when reading about registering nutcases was an image of some bureaucrat defining what, exactly, a nutcase is. "Hmmm... maybe everyone with a psychiatric diagnosis..."

Regarding cars vs weapons: the argument doesn't hold water, Lit. Cars aren't designed for killing anyone or anything. They can kill, but so can just about anything. Cars are transportation devices.

Guns are designed to kill someone or something. They have no other uses.