traditionalism in science

[ZEGH8578]

annoying.

i see it a lot, especially in docus, how narrators will insistantly stick to old outdated facts, just because its the most traditional view.

just now, on the other forum im on, someone brought up dinosaurs, and every time someone does, theres a certain member there who HAS to flaunt, and always flaunts erroneous outdated stuff, its so annoying :S
its the _third_ time i tell him: velociraptor isnt 3 feet tall, its 2 feet tall. a nitpickery, but JUST TRUST ME... dont get competitive, dont get angry, just ACCEPT A FACT.
its like im "ruining" his image of velociraptor or something

but how can people have this loose a relationship to facts?
i too would find "cool" if velociraptor was tall as a house, but it just isnt. thats fact. i stand by fact.

the worrying thing is that often serious scientists behave like this as well.
they get emotional and offended when confronted w a FACT they dont LIKE, so they just revert to outdated facts, and stand by them, as if making some sort of stance

a fact is a fact is a fact. i get that religious nuts dont get that, but people who are into science REALLY should get it.

[P7PSP]

I'd rather have a German Shepard anyway, they are beautiful and smart and friendly.

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I'd rather have a German Shepard anyway, they are beautiful and smart and friendly.

Me too

[ZEGH8578]

I'd rather have a German Shepard anyway, they are beautiful and smart and friendly.

its difficult to imagine what a velociraptor would be like...

birds tend to be jealous.
velo's would be intelligent, cus theyre hunters, so... i'd expect some generic predatory intelligence, but with a quirky birdy attitude.

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its the _third_ time i tell him: velociraptor isnt 3 feet tall, its 2 feet tall. a nitpickery, but JUST TRUST ME... dont get competitive, dont get angry, just ACCEPT A FACT.
its like im "ruining" his image of velociraptor or something

What you really mean to say, is that current specimens are that tall. It's entirely possible to find a specimen that's 3 feet tall.

[P7PSP]

I'd shoot one with my Benelli Supernova using a load of 9 pellet 00 buck. They are not for the modern era. Nip that shit in the bud, I wouldn't want Ichthyosaurs fucking with pinnipeds either. I'm just old fashioned that way.

[ZEGH8578]

its the _third_ time i tell him: velociraptor isnt 3 feet tall, its 2 feet tall. a nitpickery, but JUST TRUST ME... dont get competitive, dont get angry, just ACCEPT A FACT.
its like im "ruining" his image of velociraptor or something

What you really mean to say, is that current specimens are that tall. It's entirely possible to find a specimen that's 3 feet tall.

what?
its entirely possible? how?

every single grown velociraptor specimen known measures roughly 2 metres in length, and 60 cms height.
i mean to say what i say, and i say what i mean to say:
its 2 feet tall
its not 3 feet tall.

3 feet tall is a traditionalist view, based on _incorrect posture_

youll find the same with tyrannosaurus, sources saying its "6-7 metres tall" when in reality its more like 4 metres tall, again, based on outdated postures given to them

(to come across a 3 feet velociraptor, it'd have to be 3 metres long. such a significant difference in size would make it not be velociraptor. thats like coming across a 2 metre tall wolf. it would be _something else_. a 3 metre long velociraptor can be known as Deinonychus, for example, its very similar, and was 3,3 metres long)

[ZEGH8578]

I'd shoot one with my Benelli Supernova using a load of 9 pellet 00 buck. They are not for the modern era. Nip that shit in the bud, I wouldn't want Ichthyosaurs fucking with pinnipeds either. I'm just old fashioned that way.

modern dinosaur:

they adapted :]

ichthyosaurs on the other hand died out

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its the _third_ time i tell him: velociraptor isnt 3 feet tall, its 2 feet tall. a nitpickery, but JUST TRUST ME... dont get competitive, dont get angry, just ACCEPT A FACT.
its like im "ruining" his image of velociraptor or something

What you really mean to say, is that current specimens are that tall. It's entirely possible to find a specimen that's 3 feet tall.

what?
its entirely possible? how?

every single grown velociraptor specimen known measures roughly 2 metres in length, and 60 cms height.
i mean to say what i say, and i say what i mean to say:
its 2 feet tall
its not 3 feet tall.

3 feet tall is a traditionalist view, based on _incorrect posture_

youll find the same with tyrannosaurus, sources saying its "6-7 metres tall" when in reality its more like 4 metres tall, again, based on outdated postures given to them

Can you provide a reference link for the change in presumed posture?

[ZEGH8578]

its the _third_ time i tell him: velociraptor isnt 3 feet tall, its 2 feet tall. a nitpickery, but JUST TRUST ME... dont get competitive, dont get angry, just ACCEPT A FACT.
its like im "ruining" his image of velociraptor or something

What you really mean to say, is that current specimens are that tall. It's entirely possible to find a specimen that's 3 feet tall.

what?
its entirely possible? how?

every single grown velociraptor specimen known measures roughly 2 metres in length, and 60 cms height.
i mean to say what i say, and i say what i mean to say:
its 2 feet tall
its not 3 feet tall.

3 feet tall is a traditionalist view, based on _incorrect posture_

youll find the same with tyrannosaurus, sources saying its "6-7 metres tall" when in reality its more like 4 metres tall, again, based on outdated postures given to them

Can you provide a reference link for the change in presumed posture?

its everywhere :S most pre-90s dinosaur books have dinosaurs standing up in a "cangaroo-ish" position

this is an updated posture, as presented on wikipedia.
the body is _horizontal_ and the tail balances it. the pelvis and feet become the center of gravity. it all makes sense.

the much taller calculations all come from pre-90s depictions of dinosaurs with a much more vertical body posture:

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its the _third_ time i tell him: velociraptor isnt 3 feet tall, its 2 feet tall. a nitpickery, but JUST TRUST ME... dont get competitive, dont get angry, just ACCEPT A FACT.
its like im "ruining" his image of velociraptor or something

What you really mean to say, is that current specimens are that tall. It's entirely possible to find a specimen that's 3 feet tall.

what?
its entirely possible? how?

every single grown velociraptor specimen known measures roughly 2 metres in length, and 60 cms height.
i mean to say what i say, and i say what i mean to say:
its 2 feet tall
its not 3 feet tall.

3 feet tall is a traditionalist view, based on _incorrect posture_

youll find the same with tyrannosaurus, sources saying its "6-7 metres tall" when in reality its more like 4 metres tall, again, based on outdated postures given to them

(to come across a 3 feet velociraptor, it'd have to be 3 metres long. such a significant difference in size would make it not be velociraptor. thats like coming across a 2 metre tall wolf. it would be _something else_. a 3 metre long velociraptor can be known as Deinonychus, for example, its very similar, and was 3,3 metres long)

How tall are you compared to Shaquille O'Neal??  I rest my case. Variations of that degree are possible within a species.

Seriously Zegh, you believe in the possibility of a Yeti, but not a 3' tall velociraptor. 

Science isn't one of your stronger subjects, is it??     

[Queen Victoria]

ZEGH, I know that I do not have time to keep up with all the current research and information in areas that I'm interested in.  I would imagine that not too many adults are interested in or have the time for dinosaur updates.  Things like budgeting, relationships, taxes, job hunting come to the forefront of existence.  Some scientific information that we believe or rely on is outdated. 

Most people rely on what information they come across to update their information data banks.  I know I don't Google Important People Who Died Today.  Unless my newspaper or connected news links (CNN, MSN, etc.) thinks someone or something is notable they're not going to carry it.  So, 6 months later, it's, "I didn't know... died."  To the best of my recollection our local newspaper carried very little information about the break up of the Soviet Union and the CIS.  So I really don't know much of the political structure there.

When someone tells me I'm misinformed or in error I take their past truth/accuracy record into consideration before accepting it.  I have a cousin who sends me political tidbits.  Every one I've researched has been wrong. Even the "factual" ones.

And yes, there are the stubborn ones out there who just will not believe in logic.  I think they're relatives of Tinkerbelle.

[Osensitive1]

You just ruined my image of the velociraptor.

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This is what velociraptor really looked like

[P7PSP]

What are those other guys? Maybe a brontosaur and ankylosaur?