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Is it all about being right?
Al Swearegen:
I don't believe that you can accurately gauge who on this forum is whose intellectual superior.
That said I believe you are smarter than me Callaway.
I think that there has been probably 3 or 4 occasions that I have disagreed with you and said so. Maybe about the same with Odeon.
I have no problem with disagreeing with you or Odeon or anyone on this site. I (as seen with Odeon) have no problems with calling out anyone if I believe in whatever strongly. I am not intimidated by anyone here and IQ or not withstanding, Pyraxis do you think I am hopelessly outgunned going up against Odeon or Callaway because of my lower IQ?
Do you think I was on the last callout I did?
Scrapheap:
--- Quote from: Pyraxis on January 01, 2011, 11:22:06 PM ---@Sir Les - yeah that's true, it would suck worse if the admins weren't smart. But the dogpiling of Richard was ridiculous.
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Richard brought that dogpiling upon himself. All he had to do was shut his mouth and he couldn't manage to accomplish THAT. ::)
Pyraxis:
--- Quote from: Callaway on January 02, 2011, 05:40:45 AM ---Heaven forbid we should be smarter than someone who repeatedly accuses us
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He said he was "still bothered" by it and "still wondering". You took that as an accusation serious enough to come out with all guns blazing?
--- Quote from: Callaway on January 02, 2011, 05:40:45 AM ---of some ridiculous wrongdoing, contrary to all the evidence otherwise.
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And when all the evidence is disregarded for apparently irrational reasons, the solution is totally to: (sarcasm alert)
repeat that you think they're wrong
call out perceived flaws in their character (incidentally one of the tactics which leads people to conclude you're high and mighty and ought to be held to a higher standard)
...repeatedly...
Yeah ok. A couple of kids on the playground pointing fingers at each other and shouting "He did it!" "She did it!" ... so there are still lulz.
But what exactly does continuing to shout accomplish, beyond entertainment for the rest of us? Are you still trying to defend your wounded pride at having someone not believe you're right?
--- Quote from: Callaway on January 02, 2011, 05:40:45 AM ---I think if someone calls me out, they have to accept the risk that comes with that. I'm not going to "tie half my brain behind my back" to make things more equal if I believe the person has a lower IQ than mine. Nor would I expect someone I called out to do that for me if their IQ was higher than mine.
I started out giving Richard the benefit of the doubt and I looked in the mod log to help him figure out what might have happened but I'm not about to admit that I did something I didn't do. Short of that, I don't know what I could have done to end the argument when he decided to call me out again over something we had already resolved the first time.
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Howzabout using a different region of your brain than the hypothalamus to understand that nobody was really going to think the worse of you for walking away? That wouldn't have meant admitting to something you didn't do - it was clear to the majority of people reading the thread that you didn't do it. Even if you were sticking around because you wanted to convince Richard you didn't do it... well since your attempts to re-establish meaningful communication weren't working, even when you quit with the character attacks, that only goes to back up the idea that letting it go for a while might help.
--- Quote from: Callaway on January 02, 2011, 05:40:45 AM ---I guess we should all follow Pyraxis' example in her callout with Lucifer and make sure we call out or are called out only by people who are our intellectual superiors.
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It does keep life more interesting. But it's not just who's smarter than who, also the degree of the difference. I think I went after Lucifer at one point for that too, but I can't remember if it was in that callout. Basically beating up on the crippled because she didn't have the balls to go after anyone who could fight back. It's like she hadn't noticed that she herself wasn't crippled.
But the other question I think you're asking...
--- Quote from: Callaway on January 02, 2011, 05:40:45 AM ---I guess we should all follow Pyraxis' example in her callout with Lucifer and make sure we call out or are called out only by people who are our intellectual superiors.
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I wish I were skilled enough that I were worth following. But if you followed me, you'd probably get your butt beaten around and live in a state of perpetual fear and all you'd have to show for it is some slippery ideal of transcending things I don't even have words for in the name of honor. It's safer and possibly richer to stay put and do your best to make a home among people who don't pose much danger, and that's something I know very little about. Hence my awkward attempts here to encourage it without really having a good picture of what I'm shooting for.
Pyraxis:
--- Quote from: Sir_Les_Patterson on January 02, 2011, 06:02:41 AM ---I have no problem with disagreeing with you or Odeon or anyone on this site. I (as seen with Odeon) have no problems with calling out anyone if I believe in whatever strongly. I am not intimidated by anyone here and IQ or not withstanding, Pyraxis do you think I am hopelessly outgunned going up against Odeon or Callaway because of my lower IQ?
Do you think I was on the last callout I did?
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No actually I think you did a damn good job of presenting your case, and it ended pretty well all things considered.
odeon:
--- Quote from: Heinrich on January 01, 2011, 09:26:56 PM ---Difference with this place and most other places with "leaders" is that they're not really leaders. I dunno about Callaway, but I'm pretty sure that odeon just posts as any other member would do (except when he's doing admin stuff obviously). I mean I don't think he views himself as some kind of leader of a community as such, so shouldn't have any more expectations placed on him than anyone else posting here
I agree though about admins having access to parts of the system that others can't use. That's pretty unfair if used in a callout, but we can't exactly open everything up to the whole membership
Admins shouldn't be required to behave any "better" than anyone else when challenged imo
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True.
I tend to post as any other member would. I comment and I spam and I sometimes actually think before posting, but I expect the same standards to be applied to me and my posts as anyone else's. If I think someone is a cunt or a moron, I will tell them so. After all, if others can do it, then why can't I if I think it's warranted?
I'm no more right or wrong than anyone else. People can, and should, challenge my views whenever they disagree or think I am being a cunt. Or they could simply ignore me and keep posting what they want to post. That works too.
Because that, Pyraxis, is a big part of how this place can enable people. You can say your piece here, without having to watch your tongue or wonder how to follow unspoken rules. Sure, people will fight back but isn't that the point? Sure, some have greater language skills than others but what would you expect us to do about that? Censor ourselves? Only use two-syllable words?
Why should this place be different for us?
I still think I2 enables spazzes by allowing us to argue and learn how to fight back without the false safety of a WP where you are constantly being patted on the head, monitored, and stopped not if you break the TOS but when you cross an often arbitrary line drawn by a mod or Alex himself?
I2 also enables spazzes by creating a space where people can post pretty much what they want, as long as they don't stop anyone else from doing so. It's not absolute freedom of speech but then again, what is? Freedom of speech comes at a cost, and I think I2's is a pretty realistic version of it.
In addition to being a member, I also have two other functions. One, I'm a webmaster and see to it that you can all keep posting, and two, I pay the bills to keep us online. I don't want or expect special treatment because of those things, but I do want everyone to follow what rules there are (mainly, Hostgator's TOS) to make sure we can stay online. Hostgator is forgiving in some respects and less than so in others, but all in all, they offer a reasonable compromise and I don't see a reason to move.
Problem is, here's where some people's paranoias set in. They see conspiracies and power trips instead of a job description more like a janitor's, and some think that I have an unfair advantage and thus shouldn't be allowed to behave the same as others. As is the case with my linguistic abilities, just because I do have a way with words, they say that because I have access to an admin panel I should take my responsibility and, well, not post what's on my mind. I should act according to the perceived sensitivities of others, perceived not always by those being targeted but by others.
Guess what? It's not going to happen. I don't keep this place online so that Pyraxis and some others can do what she thinks I shouldn't be allowed to.
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