The all-or-nothing-ness in kryptozoology and supernaturalism

[ZEGH8578]

Why must people either reject ALL of it, or embrace ALL of it!?

heres a list of supernatural elements i can believe in:

Yeti: first of all, its not "A yeti", biologically, that makes no sense. who's it gonna mate with? but... asia has apes. 2 species. orangutan and humans. what if Yeti is simply a "mountain orangutan", gorilla sized, and just so happen to be bipedal.
The himalayas are vast enough, and remote enough, and out of vehicle or helicopter range. totally possible for an animal to hide there.

Orang Pendek: Unlikely, but not impossible. At best a extinct, or near extinct relative of the orangutan, or an asian variant of the bonobo ("dwarf chimpanzee").

Telepathy: TO SOME DEGREE animals do communicate something between each others, thats not done with neither body or sound. Such as when a lion pride aggrees on complex hunting strategy and tactics right before a hunt. They stand in front of a given landscape, with its features, and they have to decide there and then how to manage it successfully. Ive also seen examples with cats where they seem to silently aggree on a tactic, without meowing the details. and its not "just instinct", people who say that have no clue what "instinct" is. "instinct" is heredetary, instinct wont know beforehand what a landscape looks like, and how to utilize it, or how to delegate between pack members.
i even convinced biologists at the museum of science here, that something is off w simply dismissing it as "instinct".

Alien life: we are alien life. i believe in us. if we exist, others exist. thats it. nothing more. zip. we cannot talk about what we have never encountered, and humans have _never_ encountered alien life. EVER.

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Some things i dont believe:

Ghosts: fuck that. especially those ghost shows where theyll use super-sensitive recording devices, then shit themselves to the random static noises. "RKFFFFKRRTTT!" "OMG IT SAID - GET OUT!" no, it said "rkffffkrrttt."

Psychics: in one such episode, a psychic was in a bar, and could "feel" the following: "i feel a presence of... people!" OH WOW :O "theyre... drinking! and... gambling, i sense... a wager!" OMG REALLY :O "a wager concerning... money! i sense... loss... frustration" HOLY CRAP :O

Big foot: Extremely unlikely. The area is vast, but its also well known, and well accessible.

Chupacabra: okay, one day its a dog, the next its a coyote, then its a bat-winged demon from hell with long fangs, red glowing eyes, and a serpent tongue, then its more dingo-like. nuff said.

Moth man: yes, and Bat man, and Spider man.

Mokele Mbembe: one word: ELEPHANT. moving on.

Nessie: the myth exists entirely based on debunked photographic material, and has never been neither mentioned nor observed before the age of photography. FRAUD.

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Whats sad about this, is that people are all-or-nothing about kryptozoology and the mysterious. its impossible to research the possibility for Yeti, without having to deal with retards who believe in Chupacabra, Mothman, Aquaman and the likes...

['Butterflies']

Most of cryptozoology will be crap, but some of it will probably be real. Look at those little pygmy people that were found on an island a few years ago. Everyone would have said that was impossible untill they were found.

As for aliens. If you don't believe in God, and you believe in evolution, then considering there are an almost infinite amount of planets. It seems almost impossible to imagine that we're the only planet that life has evolved on.

Not sure about telepathy though. I have an open mind, but at the moment I'd probably say no.


How can you say Nessiy ain't real

Realistically though, we all know it's BS

[ZEGH8578]

i remember one from a lame mysteries-book, showing a rotting carcass, gigantic, with "two enormous tusks"

and even at an age of 10-12, i could clearly see that it was a rotting whale, and the "tusks" were the right and left part of the lower jaw...

how about doing a _minimum_ of research, before writing a whole chapter about a dead whale?

['Butterflies']

i remember one from a lame mysteries-book, showing a rotting carcass, gigantic, with "two enormous tusks"

and even at an age of 10-12, i could clearly see that it was a rotting whale, and the "tusks" were the right and left part of the lower jaw...

how about doing a _minimum_ of research, before writing a whole chapter about a dead whale?

I was just joking about Nessie. We all know it's a joke. Only a handfull of people really believe in it. It is a good tourism thing though

[ZEGH8578]

i remember one from a lame mysteries-book, showing a rotting carcass, gigantic, with "two enormous tusks"

and even at an age of 10-12, i could clearly see that it was a rotting whale, and the "tusks" were the right and left part of the lower jaw...

how about doing a _minimum_ of research, before writing a whole chapter about a dead whale?

I was just joking about Nessie. We all know it's a joke. Only a handfull of people really believe in it. It is a good tourism thing though

yes yes, that wasnt directed to you, but the author of the book
it just astonishes me how little research goes into the topic, before they go ahead and publish, so little so, that they can be debunked by a 10 year old (me )

[Queen Victoria]

You meand the seances where I've been talking to Prince Albert are fake?  Oh Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Scrapheap]

If the Yeti existed, why haven't any bones been found yet??

I don't think the Yeti is any more likely than Bigfoot. There is a bilogical size limit to the bipedal primate form. Such a creature would have to consume in excess of 10,000 calories a day, and would be gasping for oxygen in the thin air of the Himalayas.

[ZEGH8578]

If the Yeti existed, why haven't any bones been found yet??

I don't think the Yeti is any more likely than Bigfoot. There is a bilogical size limit to the bipedal primate form. Such a creature would have to consume in excess of 10,000 calories a day, and would be gasping for oxygen in the thin air of the Himalayas.

bones? dude.
we'd find a living creature before we find the bones :S

the bones would be submerged in snow. that was an odd angle, even for you

thats like saying "why havent we found their dna imprints on leaves yet!?"

and exactly how tall are you saying that im saying that the yeti is?
i said gorilla sized. your saying gorilla-sized primates are impossible? :]
also, i never said it would be climbing the summit of mt. everest. the himalayas are VAST, theyre not one huge peak.

also, look up "Gigantopithecus" (it basically IS a 3 metre tall asian hominid, that lived side by side with advanced hominins)

i gave the yeti quite a lot of thought, so if your gonna shoot it down, do me a favor, and try harder
tsk tsk :]

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I don't like the entire all or nothing philosophy in anything there are just to many variables 

[ZEGH8578]

I don't like the entire all or nothing philosophy in anything there are just to many variables 

oh yes, i know, in fact, what prompted this thread was seeing someone talk about conspiracies

thats another one

conspiracies _do happen_

hitler conspired to attack poland before it happened. it was a conspiracy!

current conspiracies happen as well. of course they do. such as all the conspiring to attack iraq. conspiracy theories aside, attack plans for whatever scenario have been done before.

but of course, people go nuts and start to include aliens and whatnot OR they go all and claim nobody ever conspired anything ever in the history of the universe

[Scrapheap]

bones? dude.
we'd find a living creature before we find the bones :S

the bones would be submerged in snow. that was an odd angle, even for you

Given the supposed elusivness of this creature, we'd find the bones first, they would likely be dumped in moraines made by glaciers.

and exactly how tall are you saying that im saying that the yeti is?
i said gorilla sized. your saying gorilla-sized primates are impossible? :]

You don't see gorillias spending much time above 10,000 feet.

also, i never said it would be climbing the summit of mt. everest. the himalayas are VAST, theyre not one huge peak.

The Himilayas are one huge plateau, much of it is above 18,000 feet. the air is pretty damn thin up there.

also, look up "Gigantopithecus" (it basically IS a 3 metre tall asian hominid, that lived side by side with advanced hominins)

Do you know the first fucking thing about Alpine biology or are you just talking out of your ass?? As you go up above a certian altitude, living things become smaller for a wide variety of reasons. The Gigatopithecus lived in the lowlands.

i gave the yeti quite a lot of thought, so if your gonna shoot it down, do me a favor, and try harder
tsk tsk :]

I just did.

[ZEGH8578]

bones? dude.
we'd find a living creature before we find the bones :S

the bones would be submerged in snow. that was an odd angle, even for you

Given the supposed elusivness of this creature, we'd find the bones first, they would likely be dumped in moraines made by glaciers.

and exactly how tall are you saying that im saying that the yeti is?
i said gorilla sized. your saying gorilla-sized primates are impossible? :]

You don't see gorillias spending much time above 10,000 feet.

also, i never said it would be climbing the summit of mt. everest. the himalayas are VAST, theyre not one huge peak.

The Himilayas are one huge plateau, much of it is above 18,000 feet. the air is pretty damn thin up there.

also, look up "Gigantopithecus" (it basically IS a 3 metre tall asian hominid, that lived side by side with advanced hominins)

Do you know the first fucking thing about Alpine biology or are you just talking out of your ass?? As you go up above a certian altitude, living things become smaller for a wide variety of reasons. The Gigatopithecus lived in the lowlands.

i gave the yeti quite a lot of thought, so if your gonna shoot it down, do me a favor, and try harder
tsk tsk :]

I just did.

1. given the supposed elusiveness, the bones would be _a little bit more_ hidden than the actual creature  
2. again, its not supposed to climb the summit.
3. theyre not one huge plateau, as in a single plane of elevation. its riddled with valleys. just because it says "plateau" in the encyclopedia, doesnt mean its flat as a surface of water :]
4. i live in a country that IS a mountain plateau. that plateau has air thin enough to get you light-headed, and still harbor creatures such as the 650 kg musk ox. the himalayas also have creatures such as huge goats, big leopards, yaks and humans. again - not on the summit of mt. everest.
5. obviously you didnt, mostly evident by:

6. i had NEVER heard of the elevation/oxygen argument being used before. never ever, before you brought it up. someone here talked out their ass, and it wasnt me :]

now just to be clair, im not saying the yeti definitely exists. im saying its the most likely of all the cryptozoology creatures, definitely more likely than "nessie", which IS impossible.

[Scrapheap]

3. theyre not one huge plateau, as in a single plane of elevation. its riddled with valleys. just because it says "plateau" in the encyclopedia, doesnt mean its flat as a surface of water :]

Dude, there are valleys in the Himilayas that are at a higher altitude than any mountian in Europe. Go look at a fucking relief map. 

4. i live in a country that IS a mountain plateau. that plateau has air thin enough to get you light-headed, and still harbor creatures such as the 650 kg musk ox.

BULLSHIT! I looked up Latvia, and it's on the coast between Lithuania and Estonia. 

5. obviously you didnt, mostly evident by:

6. i had NEVER heard of the elevation/oxygen argument being used before. never ever, before you brought it up. someone here talked out their ass, and it wasnt me :]

Do you need the email address of my biology professors, Mick Bondello and Michelle Fulton to explain Alpine biology to you?? 

Next thing, you'll be claiming that there's Blue Whales that live in the Stratosphere. 

[ZEGH8578]

3. theyre not one huge plateau, as in a single plane of elevation. its riddled with valleys. just because it says "plateau" in the encyclopedia, doesnt mean its flat as a surface of water :]

Dude, there are valleys in the Himilayas that are at a higher altitude than any mountian in Europe. Go look at a fucking relief map.  

4. i live in a country that IS a mountain plateau. that plateau has air thin enough to get you light-headed, and still harbor creatures such as the 650 kg musk ox.

BULLSHIT! I looked up Latvia, and it's on the coast between Lithuania and Estonia.  

5. obviously you didnt, mostly evident by:

6. i had NEVER heard of the elevation/oxygen argument being used before. never ever, before you brought it up. someone here talked out their ass, and it wasnt me :]

Do you need the email address of my biology professors, Mick Bondello and Michelle Fulton to explain Alpine biology to you??  

Next thing, you'll be claiming that there's Blue Whales that live in the Stratosphere.  

latvia!?

oh and dude, relax, a 3-4 hundred kilo animal living in himalayan valleys is NOT the same as a flying whale.
your just very eager to be correct :]
you didnt debunk this all on your own, no matter how much you wanna be like penn and teller  

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btw, my country's highest point is approx 2500 metres (and its not latvia. nor is it estonia OR lithuania).

AND i had biology teachers too you know, i made one cry :]
the other one didnt know what leopards was

my point is, your too cought up in debunking. youll go as far as to claim humans, birds, moss, etc cant live there. you did just compare it to flying whales. you gotta relax...

[Scrapheap]

latvia!?

oh and dude, relax, a 3-4 hundred kilo animal living in himalayan valleys is NOT the same as a flying whale.
your just very eager to be correct :]
you didnt debunk this all on your own, no matter how much you wanna be like penn and teller  

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btw, my country's highest point is approx 2500 metres (and its not latvia. nor is it estonia OR lithuania).

AND i had biology teachers too you know, i made one cry :]
the other one didnt know what leopards was

my point is, your too cought up in debunking. youll go as far as to claim humans, birds, moss, etc cant live there. you did just compare it to flying whales. you gotta relax...

My point is this. If the Yeti was living in the valleys, WE WOULD'VE SEEN ONE BY NOW!! we also would've seen bones. You can't hide in the valleys. you'd have to hide in narrow canyons that are at high altitude. As soon as you get into the high altitudes, biology changes because EVOLUTION WORKS, BITCHES!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitudinal_zonation

Furthemore, if the Yeti existed, it would be in the holy scriptures of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!   RAmen!!!