Civil Partnerships

[Adam]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11625835

all seems such a load of bollocks. Why not have civil partnerships available for everyone?

[Binty]

I joined their Facebook group ages ago, I'll send you a link later.

What annoys me most is the stupid marriage act in the US 

[Adam]

What is that?

what are the laws on trans people getting married there btw?

[Callaway]

What is that?

what are the laws on trans people getting married there btw?

I'm not sure, but I think that they probably vary by state.

[The_Chosen_One]

It's called de facto, which mean you just live together as common-law husband and wife (or in the case of gays, partners).

Here they've been doing it for yonks, and I'm sure in Britain they've been doing de facto's for about as long too. They are recognised by all agencies here (Centrelink, Taxation Dept, Councils etc) so why the kerfuffle now?

[Binty]

Only man+woman marriages are recognised. What is that act called Callaway? I can't remember it.

As for trans people, I think if you fully transition, you have the same rights as any other citizen providing you enter a straight union.

[Adam]

What about someone like me?

(obviously not as I am now, but as someone who will never have complete surgery? - is there no hope for me?  )

that pregnant guy was married wasn't he?

[Binty]

Defence of Marriage Act!

I'm not sure... It depends if you can get your name and gender legally changed I suppose.

[richard]

personally i think marriage should be between a man/woman
marriage is nothing but a contract between you/someone else and the state
besides YHWY made it, why bother messing up something god created? 
it just seems rediculose to me. i really wouldnt need a piece of paper to say, i loved someone else

[Adam]

personally i think marriage should be between a man/woman
marriage is nothing but a contract between you/someone else and the state
besides YHWY made it, why bother messing up something god created? 
it just seems rediculose to me. i really wouldnt need a piece of paper to say, i loved someone else

It's not just a piece of paper though - lots of legal and financial reasons for getting married

I wouldn't need a piece of paper either, but I should have the right to be able to have one if other couples do

[Queen Victoria]

I would prefer two types of marriages, civil and religious.  You can have one or the other or both.

A civil marriage would be between 2 consenting, capable adults.  It would grant them legal rights, obligations, responsibilities, etc.

A religious marriage would be celebrated within the beliefs of that religion.  It would not grant any legal rights, obligations, etc.  This type of marriage could be used by persons who want to maintain their legal individual status.  For example, this could be used by persons who would otherwise lose their disabillity support if they had a civil marriage.

[Binty]

personally i think marriage should be between a man/woman
marriage is nothing but a contract between you/someone else and the state
besides YHWY made it, why bother messing up something god created? 
it just seems rediculose to me. i really wouldnt need a piece of paper to say, i loved someone else

It's not just a piece of paper though - lots of legal and financial reasons for getting married

I wouldn't need a piece of paper either, but I should have the right to be able to have one if other couples do

 

[Binty]

DOMA is so fucked up:

The Federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman for purposes of all federal laws, and provides that states need not recognize a marriage from another state if it is between persons of the same sex. 37 states have their own Defense of Marriage Acts (DOMAs), while 2 more states have strong language that defines marriage as one man and one woman. There are 30 states that have constitutional amendments protecting traditional marriage, including the three states (Arizona, California, and Florida) that passed constitutional amendments in November 2008.

[The_Chosen_One]

I think 'he' was married beforehand, and was originally a female. When I first heard the story, I thought 'WTF?' then realised that he wasn't a true male. So that sort of kills that question.

Dunno if they had been unmarried beforehand.

[richard]

It's not just a piece of paper though - lots of legal and financial reasons for getting married

I wouldn't need a piece of paper either, but I should have the right to be able to have one if other couples do

well then get the voters to pass a bill ackeknoweleging marriage between the same sexes. get out the vote~

you have to change peoples minds. people wont change themselves you know,  

i think if i ever fell in love with a dude, as a unwritten rule we would kow how to protect ourselves finachially, assets. etc. i've been good so far at getting around the establishment so far so