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Offline Natalia Evans

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If Plank is a fraud
« on: May 18, 2010, 12:35:22 AM »
Then so are these other people who own these sites:


Aspergic
Daily Diapers
ADISC
ASD Relationships
Psych Forums


They all have the donation button except ASD Relationships because I don't see it anymore.


Any other sites or forums you know that ask for money?
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 12:49:32 AM »
AFF doesn't ask for them, but we...appreciate them.

Had a load of Mind-Mapping software licences donated the other day - we ended up forwarding the donation to ASAN.
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 01:20:07 AM »
Why does asking for donation makes them frauds sites? Running a website isn't free you know.
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2010, 01:40:27 AM »
Some people say Alex is a fraud because he asks for money. There's been the talk about it here and someone once asked about it on WP and even a 15 year old from Aspergic said something about it and my friend Feral Aspie has bitched about him asking for money. So my point is they will mind as well say all these other people are frauds too because they also ask for money on their forums.
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2010, 02:46:48 AM »
Theres nothing wrong with giving people the choice to donate if they want to.

If I ever implement one it will go towards domain registration, advertising and hosting costs. I don't think the word "fraud" should even be involved, personally, unless they are using the money for stuff thats nothing to do with their site, if thats what they are asking money for.

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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2010, 02:59:07 AM »
How is the money asked for? By just having the donate button? Some generic email sent out to all the members on a semi regular basis?
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 03:02:17 AM »
Quote from: Kit on May 18, 2010, 01:40:27 AM
Some people say Alex is a fraud because he asks for money. There's been the talk about it here and someone once asked about it on WP and even a 15 year old from Aspergic said something about it and my friend Feral Aspie has bitched about him asking for money. So my point is they will mind as well say all these other people are frauds too because they also ask for money on their forums.

It's not the pleads for donation that constitutes fraud. It's any deliberate misuse of donations for personal gain that makes it fraud.
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2010, 03:08:04 AM »
Quote from: ProfessorFarnsworth on May 18, 2010, 03:02:17 AM
Quote from: Kit on May 18, 2010, 01:40:27 AM
Some people say Alex is a fraud because he asks for money. There's been the talk about it here and someone once asked about it on WP and even a 15 year old from Aspergic said something about it and my friend Feral Aspie has bitched about him asking for money. So my point is they will mind as well say all these other people are frauds too because they also ask for money on their forums.

It's not the pleads for donation that constitutes fraud. It's any deliberate misuse of donations for personal gain that makes it fraud.

Where is the evidence for this?
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 03:10:27 AM »
Quote from: Phlexor on May 18, 2010, 03:08:04 AM
Quote from: ProfessorFarnsworth on May 18, 2010, 03:02:17 AM
Quote from: Kit on May 18, 2010, 01:40:27 AM
Some people say Alex is a fraud because he asks for money. There's been the talk about it here and someone once asked about it on WP and even a 15 year old from Aspergic said something about it and my friend Feral Aspie has bitched about him asking for money. So my point is they will mind as well say all these other people are frauds too because they also ask for money on their forums.

It's not the pleads for donation that constitutes fraud. It's any deliberate misuse of donations for personal gain that makes it fraud.

Where is the evidence for this?

I wouldn't have a clue. I'm just pointing out that asking for money technically isn't fraud, if the usage of the money is clearly stated and funded for that purpose.
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Morality can be extrapolated from these meanings to make these two commandments of godless morality: 1). Be in harmony with one another and 2). Care for the environment.

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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 03:15:14 AM »
Quote from: ProfessorFarnsworth on May 18, 2010, 03:10:27 AM
Quote from: Phlexor on May 18, 2010, 03:08:04 AM
Quote from: ProfessorFarnsworth on May 18, 2010, 03:02:17 AM
Quote from: Kit on May 18, 2010, 01:40:27 AM
Some people say Alex is a fraud because he asks for money. There's been the talk about it here and someone once asked about it on WP and even a 15 year old from Aspergic said something about it and my friend Feral Aspie has bitched about him asking for money. So my point is they will mind as well say all these other people are frauds too because they also ask for money on their forums.

It's not the pleads for donation that constitutes fraud. It's any deliberate misuse of donations for personal gain that makes it fraud.

Where is the evidence for this?

I wouldn't have a clue. I'm just pointing out that asking for money technically isn't fraud, if the usage of the money is clearly stated and funded for that purpose.

Couldn't one just set up a not for profit business name and put the ownership of said forum under it. Then any donations are entered into a bank account registered to the business name. I doubt that the donations alone would cover the costs, then the person running it would have to donate the rest of the shortfall and couldn't that also be tax deductible?

I have no idea on all that but it's just a guess.
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2010, 03:24:31 AM »
Unfortunately, taxation and finances aren't my forte, so your guess is as good as mine on that.

But in some cases, a not-for-profit organisation could set itself up as a front for fraud. Basically you inflate your required expenditure to maintain your business (administrative costs, maintenance, resources, transportation costs, etc) and free-load of the discrepancy donations give you, instead of allocating them aside for future use. That's one way a website owner too, could conduct fraud I think, but like I said, I'm hardly an expert on the subject.
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Morality can be extrapolated from these meanings to make these two commandments of godless morality: 1). Be in harmony with one another and 2). Care for the environment.

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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2010, 04:45:13 AM »
Quote from: Kit on May 18, 2010, 12:35:22 AM
Then so are these other people who own these sites:


Aspergic
Daily Diapers
ADISC
ASD Relationships
Psych Forums


They all have the donation button except ASD Relationships because I don't see it anymore.


Any other sites or forums you know that ask for money?

Aspergic doesn't cost so much per month but of course, you seriously don't have to pay for it and they don't ask for it.

WP price:
$15 for bronze and that's expensive and I made that mistake and nearly fucked up my life. So I'm warning people who wants to stupidly donate like what I did, DON'T! That money will be useful for something WAY better. (unless you really are filthy rich).
$100 for gold if you really are that bizarre. :LOL:
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2010, 04:57:22 AM »
One hundred fucking dollars for some bullshit gold title!!?!?!?!!?! WTF, seriously?  :o

If someone can throw away money like that, give it to a proper charity FFS!
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Morality can be extrapolated from these meanings to make these two commandments of godless morality: 1). Be in harmony with one another and 2). Care for the environment.

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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2010, 05:01:53 AM »
Just to let you all know I am always taking beer donations just thought I'd throw that out there :zoinks:

Well at least I'm honest about it :laugh:
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Re: If Plank is a fraud
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2010, 05:04:04 AM »
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