Thread that GA cannot lock. Debate continued in here. GA's Diaper time...

[Christopher McCandless]

Your lack of logic means that you can't prove anything. Next.

GA is the one who needs to prove legitimacy, not me.

You don't see it as a problem that nobody considers your opinions to be legit?

Contempt of the group he claims to represent.

So he's Autism Speaks.

Autism Speaks promote a better impression of Autism than you do.

[Osensitive1]

I felt they offered a more balanced discussion on it - moreover it proved my point that a few people agree with me, who also happen to have AS.

That's a thread making fun of a picture, and an arguement about whether or not it is okay to make fun of people's pictures, and some other stuff about youtube and chess bets or something, all ending in a nice little group hug of some sort.  Seriously, see no connection at all.

[Christopher McCandless]

I felt they offered a more balanced discussion on it - moreover it proved my point that a few people agree with me, who also happen to have AS.

That's a thread making fun of a picture, and an arguement about whether or not it is okay to make fun of people's pictures, and some other stuff about youtube and chess bets or something, all ending in a nice little group hug of some sort.  Seriously, see no connection at all.

There are a few posts discussing his transgenderism if you move through it carefully.

[SleepyDragon]

A balanced discussion of gender identity? Hardly. There were ridicule and character assassination directed against an individual, and a few voices of caution going, "That isn't nice."

But that is beside the point, really. You say that the Drivel thread proves that a few people agree with you. Which people? Which statements in particular? Don't be so coy; tell us directly: "I agree with [A, B and C] that [D]." Otherwise, linking to that discussion is meaningless. It allows you, later on, to say, "Those weren't my words; that was Peaguy and some other people doing their thing. Nothing to do with me. I didn't instigate it."

['andersom']

So asking you this again: "Are the people with AS that you know off-line representing all kinds of social layers in the UK? Or do they all share your background, your way of using language and your basic ideas on anthropology? "

I'll just keep asking Hadron.

[Al Swearegen]

You keep saying GA is representing people with AS. How?
No more than any other Aspie.
He is being himself. He is not trying to start a following or revolution and as far as I know is not part of a political endeavour. So is he representing people with AS or is he being himself?

['andersom']

You keep saying GA is representing people with AS. How?
No more than any other Aspie.
He is being himself. He is not trying to start a following or revolution and as far as I know is not part of a political endeavour. So is he representing people with AS or is he being himself?

Come on, being a person of your own is sooooo overrated. Think of the big goal, freedom for pedigree aspies.

[TheoK]

The idea is completely right. It's illegal to discriminate people because of race, gender, religion or sexuality. It's however not illegal - at least not in practice - to treat Autie/Aspie people like shit. We could however have an Autie/Aspie right movement without being obedient Uncle Toms.

I agree with Hadron's ideas, but I don't believe in his methods of realizing them. I'm not really sure he does himself.  

[Al Swearegen]

The idea is completely right. It's illegal to discriminate people because of race, gender, religion or sexuality. It's however not illegal - at least not in practice - to treat Autie/Aspie people like shit. We could however have an Autie/Aspie right movement without being obedient Uncle Toms.

I agree with Hadron's ideas, but I don't believe in his methods of realizing them. I'm not really sure he does himself.  

What happened here? You kinda made a bit of sense. I need to lay down.

 

Whatever meds you are on, keep taking them

[Phlexor]

I don't think NTs are trying to oppress us into being like them out of malice, it's more out of ignorance. They can't understand why we want to be the way we are, they don't understand how much it is tied into our identity. They probably think we are being depressed or just grumpy when we refuse them and their way of life and thinking.

To me that is the toughest hurdle in asserting our rights in society. It would be nice if they could take our word and just accept it and us, but they feel they need to understand. They want to feel they are helping, and their way is to to make us like them. They think that is what everyone should want.

No wonder a lot of us get angry at them.

[Al Swearegen]

I don't think NTs are trying to oppress us into being like them out of malice, it's more out of ignorance. They can't understand why we want to be the way we are, they don't understand how much it is tied into our identity. They probably think we are being depressed or just grumpy when we refuse them and their way of life and thinking.

To me that is the toughest hurdle in asserting our rights in society. It would be nice if they could take our word and just accept it and us, but they feel they need to understand. They want to feel they are helping, and their way is to to make us like them. They think that is what everyone should want.

No wonder a lot of us get angry at them.

Yes

[ProfessorFarnsworth]

You keep saying GA is representing people with AS. How?
No more than any other Aspie.
He is being himself. He is not trying to start a following or revolution and as far as I know is not part of a political endeavour. So is he representing people with AS or is he being himself?

That's the main objection I have with Hadron's reasoning. I feel the accountability actually lies with society's typical black and white perception of reality. Unless GA was going out of his way to proclaim a correlation between transgenderism and Autism, it's not his fault for how society judges him and how they draw conclusions.

['andersom']

I don't think NTs are trying to oppress us into being like them out of malice, it's more out of ignorance. They can't understand why we want to be the way we are, they don't understand how much it is tied into our identity. They probably think we are being depressed or just grumpy when we refuse them and their way of life and thinking.

To me that is the toughest hurdle in asserting our rights in society. It would be nice if they could take our word and just accept it and us, but they feel they need to understand. They want to feel they are helping, and their way is to to make us like them. They think that is what everyone should want.

No wonder a lot of us get angry at them.

The need of quite some support people to understand from within, via empathy is problematic indeed.

There is one who keeps telling me: "I can imagine that such and such is happening in your head right now and that you feel.....etc. etc." She really means well, but keeps coming up with totally of the mark assumptions. Tiring. She does listen to me though, and reacts on that OK. But it will not stick in her mind, because it is beyond her understanding, just as much as her thinking is beyond mine.

[Phlexor]

I don't think NTs are trying to oppress us into being like them out of malice, it's more out of ignorance. They can't understand why we want to be the way we are, they don't understand how much it is tied into our identity. They probably think we are being depressed or just grumpy when we refuse them and their way of life and thinking.

To me that is the toughest hurdle in asserting our rights in society. It would be nice if they could take our word and just accept it and us, but they feel they need to understand. They want to feel they are helping, and their way is to to make us like them. They think that is what everyone should want.

No wonder a lot of us get angry at them.

The need of quite some support people to understand from within, via empathy is problematic indeed.

There is one who keeps telling me: "I can imagine that such and such is happening in your head right now and that you feel.....etc. etc." She really means well, but keeps coming up with totally of the mark assumptions. Tiring. She does listen to me though, and reacts on that OK. But it will not stick in her mind, because it is beyond her understanding, just as much as her thinking is beyond mine.

Isn't there that big fuck off magnet that they can fire at your brain which turns off a part of it and simulate autism and your ass is Rain Maned? Maybe we need to do that to support people.

Fuck I need some sort of support person just so I have someone other than my wife to whinge to every week and go all emo on.

['andersom']

The one I see the most is really good.

First thing we agreed on was that we don't understand eachother, and with that as a apriori, she helps me with the stuff I have problems with. She lets me be if I start stimming, no need for her to try to comfort that, she knows it is what helps me get through stuff I hate. So, she just goes on with it.

Now that I'm used to her, I've not been stimming with her around for a very long time. But if I would, she would not be acting weird or so.