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[Scrapheap]

What do you call a half Mexican, half German??

A BienerSchnitzel!!!

[renaeden]

my psych recommended I experience being socialised with as a girl before I push forward, which I did with friends (which was his suggestion).

How did you socialise as a girl?

[GalileoAce]

my psych recommended I experience being socialised with as a girl before I push forward, which I did with friends (which was his suggestion).

How did you socialise as a girl?

I do not know... My friends treated me as a girl, used female pronouns, female name, and what not. Beyond that I don't know what is different, but it is.

[Phlexor]

my psych recommended I experience being socialised with as a girl before I push forward, which I did with friends (which was his suggestion).

How did you socialise as a girl?

I do not know... My friends treated me as a girl, used female pronouns, female name, and what not. Beyond that I don't know what is different, but it is.

Were these your new gender confused friends?

[GalileoAce]

my psych recommended I experience being socialised with as a girl before I push forward, which I did with friends (which was his suggestion).

How did you socialise as a girl?

I do not know... My friends treated me as a girl, used female pronouns, female name, and what not. Beyond that I don't know what is different, but it is.

Were these your new gender confused friends?

Not exclusively, no.

[Adam]

What;s difficult about it is that it's hard to socialise as a woman if you're biologically male (or man if you're female), but then you need to be able to do that before you can get the  hormones/surgery etc which would help you pass better. I mean the whole "living as a woman" thing needs to be passed before you're allowed the treatment that would make this easier. I can never expect to pass as an adult male without at least taking testosterone. But to do that, you need to be "living as a man" anyway. Life would be a lot easier if it iwas more socially acceptable to be neither male/female or masculine/feminine. Would make my life a lot easier anyway 
And I can only imagine it's a lot harder for MTFs

[Alex179]

I don't pretend that the legal system is right, at least not in my eyes.   We only started talking about birth certificates because GA stated that changing his was important.

What was it that makes you so proud about your original birth certificate that you would want to frame it?

GA is just forcing Ren to deal with his sex change.   If she is pansexual, it won't matter.   She married him as a man, not a woman, so it might cause problems.   I don't like the idea of marrying under false pretenses.   He is obviously not going to be the man she married.

Not pride, exactly.  My bio dad is certainly preferable to the father whose name is on my birth certificate.

Yes, GA is indeed putting ren into a situation where she is forced to deal with his sex change one way or another.  He's not forcing her to be pansexual or a lesbian or bisexual or whatever the hell would be applicable, though, which is *my* point.

There really isn't any forcing, as she can just leave him and/or get a divorce.   Not like there is literally a gun being held to her head.   She can just leave his ass if she doesn't want to deal with it.

[Alex179]

you seem to be under the impression that trans people choose hormones and/or surgery because of other people's perception of them/

That is all gender is about, perception, so yes they do.

I thought it would be more for attaining physical identity compatible to the psychological self-image of their gender in most cases. Basically the mind thinks it is a specific gender intrinsically, but is alienated by it's own physical form not matching it's mental profile.

Your physical identity is all based on how you perceive yourself lol.    The entire concept of gender is created by human society and so are the gender roles.

They just want to "pass" as the other gender.   They want to be seen and identified by other humans as a man or woman, when they were born as the opposite sex (but want to be identified with the gender opposite of what is normally associated with their sex).    This is all perception, how they perceive themselves and how other people perceive them.   They want to be seen, identified, etc as something that they are not.   That is why they are delusional.

[Alex179]

you seem to be under the impression that trans people choose hormones and/or surgery because of other people's perception of them/

That is all gender is about, perception, so yes they do.

I thought it would be more for attaining physical identity compatible to the psychological self-image of their gender in most cases. Basically the mind thinks it is a specific gender intrinsically, but is alienated by it's own physical form not matching it's mental profile.

If you were born a man you were "meant" to be a man. It's the self-image that needs to be corrected, if anything.

It is the fact that people think there is something wrong with being a man (genetically) and having traits and other things attributed to them that are normally associated with being a female.   If you perceive this to be a negative thing that has to be fixed, and lack contentment and happiness over this, then you are just hurting yourself.   You are going along with society and the notion that your "gender" (which is created by society in the first place) has to match your sex.   Making one match the other isn't going to bring you happiness necessarily, just maybe a small amount of social normalcy.

[Adam]

You really make a lot of assumptions and generalisations

[Alex179]

You really make a lot of assumptions and generalisations

You are really sensitive.

[El]

I don't pretend that the legal system is right, at least not in my eyes.   We only started talking about birth certificates because GA stated that changing his was important.

What was it that makes you so proud about your original birth certificate that you would want to frame it?

GA is just forcing Ren to deal with his sex change.   If she is pansexual, it won't matter.   She married him as a man, not a woman, so it might cause problems.   I don't like the idea of marrying under false pretenses.   He is obviously not going to be the man she married.

Not pride, exactly.  My bio dad is certainly preferable to the father whose name is on my birth certificate.

Yes, GA is indeed putting ren into a situation where she is forced to deal with his sex change one way or another.  He's not forcing her to be pansexual or a lesbian or bisexual or whatever the hell would be applicable, though, which is *my* point.

There really isn't any forcing, as she can just leave him and/or get a divorce.   Not like there is literally a gun being held to her head.   She can just leave his ass if she doesn't want to deal with it.

*nod* exactly.

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my psych recommended I experience being socialised with as a girl before I push forward, which I did with friends (which was his suggestion).

How did you socialise as a girl?

You just never stop talking

[GalileoAce]

my psych recommended I experience being socialised with as a girl before I push forward, which I did with friends (which was his suggestion).

How did you socialise as a girl?

You just never stop talking

I'm good at that `

[GalileoAce]

What;s difficult about it is that it's hard to socialise as a woman if you're biologically male (or man if you're female), but then you need to be able to do that before you can get the  hormones/surgery etc which would help you pass better. I mean the whole "living as a woman" thing needs to be passed before you're allowed the treatment that would make this easier. I can never expect to pass as an adult male without at least taking testosterone. But to do that, you need to be "living as a man" anyway. Life would be a lot easier if it iwas more socially acceptable to be neither male/female or masculine/feminine. Would make my life a lot easier anyway  
And I can only imagine it's a lot harder for MTFs

Most places don't do a "Real Life Test". My psych wanted me to be sure by experiencing what it would be like, even in part to some small extent, to be treated as a girl. It was his suggestion that I ask my friends (I do believe he specifically mentioned my "gender confused friends" as Phlexor so 'eloquently' put it). Some places/people let you go straight on to hormones without any of that real life stuff first. Letting hormones do their thing first... For some people it's close to impossible to leave as their target gender without some sort medical intervention.