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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #255 on: May 24, 2010, 06:19:50 AM »
I'm amazed how vehement some people can be on how someone wants to look and feel underneath his/her clothes.

What is the problem?

Is the thought that you might fall for someone who has an inverted penis for a vagina scary?
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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #256 on: May 24, 2010, 06:24:24 AM »
I'm amazed how vehement some people can be on how someone wants to look and feel underneath his/her clothes.

What is the problem?

Is the thought that you might fall for someone who has an inverted penis for a vagina scary?

Yes, I'm a bit baffled why it's so hard to understand the concept.

I understand people's comments about the relationship side of things, but seriously if you read GA's blog on the feelings that have been there since childhood, it's not like this is a new thing.

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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #257 on: May 24, 2010, 06:26:39 AM »
I'm amazed how vehement some people can be on how someone wants to look and feel underneath his/her clothes.

What is the problem?

Is the thought that you might fall for someone who has an inverted penis for a vagina scary?

Yes, I'm a bit baffled why it's so hard to understand the concept.

I understand people's comments about the relationship side of things, but seriously if you read GA's blog on the feelings that have been there since childhood, it's not like this is a new thing.

No, and it is not something that is contagious either. So no need to fear.
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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #258 on: May 24, 2010, 06:36:30 AM »
People in general are nicer to women than to men, so are you saying you are a big cry baby and want people to be nicer to you?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.  ::)

You can roll your eyes all you want, but that's exactly what you are saying.

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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #259 on: May 24, 2010, 06:39:16 AM »
I'm amazed how vehement some people can be on how someone wants to look and feel underneath his/her clothes.

What is the problem?

Is the thought that you might fall for someone who has an inverted penis for a vagina scary?

No, I just think you should accept the gender you got. It's not like being colour-blind or deaf or something.

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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #260 on: May 24, 2010, 06:40:18 AM »
People in general are nicer to women than to men, so are you saying you are a big cry baby and want people to be nicer to you?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.  ::)

You can roll your eyes all you want, but that's exactly what you are saying.

Oh Wow,

And Soph must be wanting to be male, because statistically men still earn more than woman and still get a higher percentage of the prestigious jobs.

It all makes sense to me now.
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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #261 on: May 24, 2010, 06:42:08 AM »
I'm amazed how vehement some people can be on how someone wants to look and feel underneath his/her clothes.

What is the problem?

Is the thought that you might fall for someone who has an inverted penis for a vagina scary?

No, I just think you should accept the gender you got. It's not like being colour-blind or deaf or something.

Amongst deaf people you'll find lots who don't want to be cured. And there are stories about colour-blind people refusing to get their vision for colour back too.

If a person has a mixed gender, a different one in psyche than in body, what then is the gender to be accepted?
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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #262 on: May 24, 2010, 06:51:01 AM »
I'm amazed how vehement some people can be on how someone wants to look and feel underneath his/her clothes.

What is the problem?

Is the thought that you might fall for someone who has an inverted penis for a vagina scary?

No, I just think you should accept the gender you got. It's not like being colour-blind or deaf or something.

Stop. That means that you should accept 'normal hetero' sex and no shit play.

Why should GA accept what is the norm, when for so long the feelings have been there?

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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #263 on: May 24, 2010, 06:57:32 AM »
People in general are nicer to women than to men, so are you saying you are a big cry baby and want people to be nicer to you?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.  ::)

You can roll your eyes all you want, but that's exactly what you are saying.

Oh Wow,

And Soph must be wanting to be male, because statistically men still earn more than woman and still get a higher percentage of the prestigious jobs.

It all makes sense to me now.

Do you even believe what you are saying there? I don't even know if soph has stated why she wants to be a male or even if I've listened. But GA has stated that he wants to be treated differently as a reason for changing gender, which is stupid.

Nobody can control what others do, so wishing that they would treat you differently and having to go though all that bullshit to get it is just retarded.

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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #264 on: May 24, 2010, 07:25:56 AM »
People in general are nicer to women than to men, so are you saying you are a big cry baby and want people to be nicer to you?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.  ::)

You can roll your eyes all you want, but that's exactly what you are saying.

Oh Wow,

And Soph must be wanting to be male, because statistically men still earn more than woman and still get a higher percentage of the prestigious jobs.

It all makes sense to me now.

Do you even believe what you are saying there? I don't even know if soph has stated why she wants to be a male or even if I've listened. But GA has stated that he wants to be treated differently as a reason for changing gender, which is stupid.

Nobody can control what others do, so wishing that they would treat you differently and having to go though all that bullshit to get it is just retarded.

No, of course I don't believe what I was saying there. I was being sarcastic.

You are right that no one of us has a way to control how others are going to treat us.
If that was the reason GA wanted to go through all this, I'm pretty sure a shrink would have called a halt to all the changing medications.
The only valid reason is that deep down, a person is not at home in the physical gender given at birth, because the experienced gender is different.

In the past, there was no further option than to just dress differently. Now there are options beyond that. And I cannot see what the problem is there.

There is strong psychological screening before someone is allowed to go through all this. It does amaze me that GA is put on hormones before having dressed and identified as a woman in every part of his life, over a year, that's what would have been required here I think. But every country has a protocol of its own. I don't know the ins and outs of Australia regulations.

Don't think that anywhere in the world where some ethics are applied in meds a sex change will be done lightly.
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« Reply #265 on: May 24, 2010, 07:31:01 AM »
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Yes, I'm a bit baffled why it's so hard to understand the concept.

I don't understand such vanity at all, it's a weird concept to me.

Despite my physical flaws (being a fat cunt, hairy as fook, IMO not particularly attractive), I don't let them bog me down. I could easily change all of that, but accepting who I am gave me the most happiness. Instead of worrying about how I look, I'd rather worry about my education and other important things that we all have to do. I've no need to show off, I've no need to photoshop my face to an inch of itself. I just let the flaws show and leave it up to others to whether they accept/judge me. Even then, I wouldn't really care much anyway.

This is easier said than done though, but it's far more rewarding once you get there. To me, changing sex is not going to give the same happiness in the long run.

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In the past, there was no further option than to just dress differently. Now there are options beyond that. And I cannot see what the problem is there.

The problem here is that you're basically forcing your partner to change their sexual orientation since you have changed sex. Why should people need to do that? If you're not into a particular sex, then it shouldn't be a crime for doing so.

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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #266 on: May 24, 2010, 07:32:16 AM »
I'm amazed how vehement some people can be on how someone wants to look and feel underneath his/her clothes.

What is the problem?

Is the thought that you might fall for someone who has an inverted penis for a vagina scary?

No, I just think you should accept the gender you got. It's not like being colour-blind or deaf or something.

Stop. That means that you should accept 'normal hetero' sex and no shit play.

Why should GA accept what is the norm, when for so long the feelings have been there?

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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #267 on: May 24, 2010, 07:37:05 AM »
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In the past, there was no further option than to just dress differently. Now there are options beyond that. And I cannot see what the problem is there.

The problem here is that you're basically forcing your partner to change their sexual orientation since you have changed sex. Why should people need to do that? If you're not into a particular sex, then it shouldn't be a crime for doing so.

Yes, the relation thing is a hard thing indeed. But all that is in hindsight. My guess is GA and Ren would have loved it if GA had realised before that trying to live as a man was not going to work, no matter how hard he tried.
That is a tough thing. And I don't envy them both. And I hope Ren gets out OK. Because it is horrible to see a partner change dramatically.

But apart from that. Even if it is hard, almost impossible, to think of GA without thinking of Ren too.
Thought more abstract. If a person, born physically male, with the notion to be female, wants to change the physical appearance, where is the problem for others?
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Re: Discuss GalileoAce
« Reply #268 on: May 24, 2010, 07:40:00 AM »
It is a bit of a fucked up journey, especially if you don't make a very good looking female. The fact remains though, we all have to do what makes each of us happy, individually. As long as its not killing anyone or taking away anyone else's freedom... whats it gonna hurt?
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« Reply #269 on: May 24, 2010, 08:15:53 AM »
The only valid reason is that deep down, a person is not at home in the physical gender given at birth, because the experienced gender is different.

True enough. I have feelings that have no logic to them. I do my best to apply some logical and/or sensible reasoning to them. It's how I think.

I have these crossgendered feelings, and I figure because I want people to treat me as a girl? Why? Why do I want people to treat me as a girl? Because I am a girl. But I'm physically male. Why do I have these crossgendered feelings?

It's all very circular. All I know, for sure, is that transitioning has made me more happier, more confident. It has raised my self esteem a bit. And I'm beginning to feel more...me?


You are right that no one of us has a way to control how others are going to treat us.
If that was the reason GA wanted to go through all this, I'm pretty sure a shrink would have called a halt to all the changing medications.

This is quite true. If my psychiatrist (who is basically "THE" guy to see in Perth about such things (though not the only psych)) thought I wasn't 100% he wouldn't have diagnosed me with Gender Identity Disorder. He would've suggested I seek counselling or something.

There is strong psychological screening before someone is allowed to go through all this. It does amaze me that GA is put on hormones before having dressed and identified as a woman in every part of his life, over a year, that's what would have been required here I think. But every country has a protocol of its own. I don't know the ins and outs of Australia regulations.

Don't think that anywhere in the world where some ethics are applied in meds a sex change will be done lightly.

RLT (Real Life Test) is no longer required before HRT. In any country that I know of. It's sometimes recommended, my psych recommended I experience being socialised with as a girl before I push forward, which I did with friends (which was his suggestion).

Australia doesn't have any set regulations of how you should go about it, but the generally accepted method is to see a psychiatrist for several sessions to be assessed and get some counselling. He/She then will approve you for HRT, possibly give you some names of trans-friendly endocrinologists whom you need to get a referral to from your GP. The psych will give you a letter to take along to the endo, along with your referral from the GP. The endo assesses you, requests a blood test, gives you a physical blah blah blah, and if you're healthy and the bloods check out away you go.

I also see a psychologist who is familiar with gender issues and autism, for my counselling and stuff.

It's a long process, it took me about a year or so to get to the endocrinologist.