Discuss GalileoAce

[odeon]

That's just... I don't know what it is. I don't know where to begin.

[Parts]

And for my next trick I will turn myself into a poodle

[odeon]

[Eclair]

It could be the crowd you are getting attention from. In your new circle of friends, you could be higher up the pecking order compared to the general population. Plus there is the medical attention from doctors and shrinks.

I'm a bit baffled as to why Phlexor made the comment about attention seeking.

Well that's the thing, he seems to be enjoying it. No one in his position wants to wake up 10 years after its all over and feel exactly the same they did before they got into and realised that it fixed nothing.

GA aside, that is exactly why people get counselled through this process Phlexor, to explore the history and motivations of the person.

I've read some of GA's other links to his story and I think it's his business to go into, but in essence, this has been a long journey that started as a child.

I don't think GA is unrealistic to think that just changing gender is going to take life's problems away. But the enjoyment of finally realising a dream should be celebrated at every opportunity.

[Phlexor]

It could be the crowd you are getting attention from. In your new circle of friends, you could be higher up the pecking order compared to the general population. Plus there is the medical attention from doctors and shrinks.

I'm a bit baffled as to why Phlexor made the comment about attention seeking.

Well that's the thing, he seems to be enjoying it. No one in his position wants to wake up 10 years after its all over and feel exactly the same they did before they got into and realised that it fixed nothing.

GA aside, that is exactly why people get counselled through this process Phlexor, to explore the history and motivations of the person.

I've read some of GA's other links to his story and I think it's his business to go into, but in essence, this has been a long journey that started as a child.

I don't think GA is unrealistic to think that just changing gender is going to take life's problems away. But the enjoyment of finally realising a dream should be celebrated at every opportunity.

Anyone that has seen enough doctors and shrinks knows that 90% of them (made up figure) are idiots and morons. Hell a lot of them are doing it for the money even. Who'd want to go though all that with the possibility of a doctor like that in the chain. This sort of thing is a huge life change that isn't easily reversible if at all.

[Eclair]

It could be the crowd you are getting attention from. In your new circle of friends, you could be higher up the pecking order compared to the general population. Plus there is the medical attention from doctors and shrinks.

I'm a bit baffled as to why Phlexor made the comment about attention seeking.

Well that's the thing, he seems to be enjoying it. No one in his position wants to wake up 10 years after its all over and feel exactly the same they did before they got into and realised that it fixed nothing.

GA aside, that is exactly why people get counselled through this process Phlexor, to explore the history and motivations of the person.

I've read some of GA's other links to his story and I think it's his business to go into, but in essence, this has been a long journey that started as a child.

I don't think GA is unrealistic to think that just changing gender is going to take life's problems away. But the enjoyment of finally realising a dream should be celebrated at every opportunity.

Anyone that has seen enough doctors and shrinks knows that 90% of them (made up figure) are idiots and morons. Hell a lot of them are doing it for the money even. Who'd want to go though all that with the possibility of a doctor like that in the chain. This sort of thing is a huge life change that isn't easily reversible if at all.

Well I believe that the counselling is a mandatory part of the process anyway.

As I said, reading GA's past thoughts about it, to become a woman became the only choice.

I guess the concept isn't that odd to me because I've known several people who have had the procedure, not only through my friend who is gay, but a very close family friend had the procedure to become a man done very late in life....these thoughts don't go away for some Phlexor and I think GA is at the age where they've been forced down only to come back repeatedly shows that there is at least a serious reason to consider going through this process.

Doesn't make a person's life any less prone to human struggles, but it's the identity that is important.

[Phlexor]

It could be the crowd you are getting attention from. In your new circle of friends, you could be higher up the pecking order compared to the general population. Plus there is the medical attention from doctors and shrinks.

I'm a bit baffled as to why Phlexor made the comment about attention seeking.

Well that's the thing, he seems to be enjoying it. No one in his position wants to wake up 10 years after its all over and feel exactly the same they did before they got into and realised that it fixed nothing.

GA aside, that is exactly why people get counselled through this process Phlexor, to explore the history and motivations of the person.

I've read some of GA's other links to his story and I think it's his business to go into, but in essence, this has been a long journey that started as a child.

I don't think GA is unrealistic to think that just changing gender is going to take life's problems away. But the enjoyment of finally realising a dream should be celebrated at every opportunity.

Anyone that has seen enough doctors and shrinks knows that 90% of them (made up figure) are idiots and morons. Hell a lot of them are doing it for the money even. Who'd want to go though all that with the possibility of a doctor like that in the chain. This sort of thing is a huge life change that isn't easily reversible if at all.

Well I believe that the counselling is a mandatory part of the process anyway.

As I said, reading GA's past thoughts about it, to become a woman became the only choice.

I guess the concept isn't that odd to me because I've known several people who have had the procedure, not only through my friend who is gay, but a very close family friend had the procedure to become a man done very late in life....these thoughts don't go away for some Phlexor and I think GA is at the age where they've been forced down only to come back repeatedly shows that there is at least a serious reason to consider going through this process.

Doesn't make a person's life any less prone to human struggles, but it's the identity that is important.

I think it's like cults. A lot of people in a cult probably end up feeling that they don't want to be there, but they have spend a lot of time and money and emotion in being there, that leaving isn't that easy. They can't even admit that they want to leave to anybody. Do you think some people who've have gender reassignment surgery end up feeling the same? I'd imagine that it would be really hard to admit you've made a mistake once you've had surgery like that and also admit it to people that you've probably argued against. I'd also imagine that these people would even encourage others to have have the surgery (those contemplating it only of course) just to further their denial.

What if I though I was emperor of Earth? Should doctors do everything in their power to put me in that position?

[Frolic_Fun]

From a practical point of view, trying to change gender/sex has no real benefit for a lot of things. It only shows insecurity and selfishness, that you care so much about what you are that you have to change it, rather than accept who you are. I normally don't care for this sort of thing, but GA did it despite the risk of wrecking his marriage for his own seflish gain, which ultimately means nothing but to prove that he's very insecure. On top of that, he expects everyone to embrace that he went from man-child to slightly less male man-child when he himself cannot accept who he truly is.

That's why I told him to fuck off.

[Eclair]

I think it's like cults. A lot of people in a cult probably end up feeling that they don't want to be there, but they have spend a lot of time and money and emotion in being there, that leaving isn't that easy. They can't even admit that they want to leave to anybody. Do you think some people who've have gender reassignment surgery end up feeling the same? I'd imagine that it would be really hard to admit you've made a mistake once you've had surgery like that and also admit it to people that you've probably argued against. I'd also imagine that these people would even encourage others to have have the surgery (those contemplating it only of course) just to further their denial.

What if I though I was emperor of Earth? Should doctors do everything in their power to put me in that position?

After I posted I realised you may have meant the surgery specifically. And yes, it does fail at times. And sometimes, as much as people would like to have the surgery, they don't for a variety of reasons.

I understand that concept.

But if someone feels strongly about going through the process, (with or without getting the surgery done), then for me, I think that's what they must do, rather than make everyone around them miserable because they are bitter and filled with regret. Going through the process is obviously an integral part in order to make the most informed choice about whether or not to have the surgery anyway.

This process for GA may fail, and a lot could be lost, his relationship etc. But the choice has been made nonetheless, and the fact that GA is enjoying it is a positive sign, if nothing else.

[Eclair]

From a practical point of view, trying to change gender/sex has no real benefit for a lot of things. It only shows insecurity and selfishness, that you care so much about what you are that you have to change it, rather than accept who you are. I normally don't care for this sort of thing, but GA did it despite the risk of wrecking his marriage for his own seflish gain, which ultimately means nothing but to prove that he's very insecure. On top of that, he expects everyone to embrace that he went from man-child to slightly less male man-child when he himself cannot accept who he truly is.

That's why I told him to fuck off.

Why should GA accept being a male, if deep down there was always a feeling that 'he' was meant to be a she?

I know people think 'he' is being selfish in regard to the relationship, and I get that and have NO idea how that would feel if my partner was going through this.

I would hope though that I would stay true to my philosophy on love, and do anything I could to at least embrace the fact that the person I loved was ultimately finding their own path to happiness.

But that's my own personal slant on what love is about. Love is never about taking someone else's choices and rights away. And I would much rather a partner be honest with me about what would make them happy then force it down for years. That would devastate me personally, and I would have felt my whole life with that person had been based on a lie. Your partner should be your closest friend.

[Frolic_Fun]

Why should GA accept being a male, if deep down there was always a feeling that 'he' was meant to be a she?

Because he was born as he was. Most of us don't want to be born the way we are, but you just have to accept you for who you are and get on with life. Trying to change yourself means you're too put up with your own personal means rather than the big picture.

[Eclair]

Why should GA accept being a male, if deep down there was always a feeling that 'he' was meant to be a she?

Because he was born as he was. Most of us don't want to be born the way we are, but you just have to accept you for who you are and get on with life. Trying to change yourself means you're too put up with your own personal means rather than the big picture.

GA did try and it didn't work.

Your opinion is no surprise about just accepting it and getting on with your life ie; pretending to be something you're not.

It's kind of like how you when you posted gay porn raised questions for me about why the hell you'd be looking at male porn in the first place if you have a girlfriend, and obviously bothered to save it on your computer to post here.

[Frolic_Fun]

Your opinion is no surprise about just accepting it and getting on with your life ie; pretending to be something you're not.

But changing your sex *is* pretending to be something you're not. He was born a male and should accept who he is. Trying to be female won't make a difference for him, apart from fufill his own selfish needs. Personally I don't identify with a lot of males myself, but I feel no need to change sex because of that.

The same thing could be said for a lot of things - AS for example. A lot of us have it, but live with it - trying to fight it or change it won't do anything.

It's kind of like how you when you posted gay porn raised questions for me about why the hell you'd be looking at male porn in the first place if you have a girlfriend, and obviously bothered to save it on your computer to post here.

Because I wanted to show my point in a direct and shocking manner. I feel no need to defend my sexuality on this matter because I'm not insecure about it, as in wearing big t-shirts saying "I'M STRAIGHT!" similar to how GA is all "I'M FEMALE!". If I want to use gay porn to illustrate a point, I will.

[GalileoAce]

I will never be able to convince people like Phlexor and Shleed. But this doesn't mean their opinions are invalid. What they've posted here I've already thought about at length many times. And discussed them with my psychologist many times. It's really circular. If I really only just insecure about who I am I wouldn't have pointed myself in the transgender direction. There are many other "delusions" that could've presented itself to help me overcome my "insecurity", such as narcissism, or borderline personality.

*shrugs* As I said, I won't be able to convince anyone who isn't already open minded to trans issues. There is no analogies, there is no explanations, nothing that would put it in a frame that they could understand. And I understand why they don't understand. It's a complex, confusing issue. But one that has presented itself throughout history, and throughout the animal kingdom.

If I were so insecure about my gender identity, don't you think I'd have corrected all these "he" pronouns you're all using? But, as you feel no need to defend your sexuality Shleed, I too feel no need to defend my gender identity.

[Alex179]

Why should GA accept being a male, if deep down there was always a feeling that 'he' was meant to be a she?

Because he was born as he was. Most of us don't want to be born the way we are, but you just have to accept you for who you are and get on with life. Trying to change yourself means you're too put up with your own personal means rather than the big picture.

GA did try and it didn't work.

Your opinion is no surprise about just accepting it and getting on with your life ie; pretending to be something you're not.

It's kind of like how you when you posted gay porn raised questions for me about why the hell you'd be looking at male porn in the first place if you have a girlfriend, and obviously bothered to save it on your computer to post here.

GA is pretending to be a female, when he is clearly a male.   If he was born with female genitalia, then he wouldn't be pretending to be female.   Trying to be something is as much bullshit as the concept of gender.   You are who you are, regardless of what sex you happen to be.