Discuss GalileoAce

[Christopher McCandless]

What has religion got to do with being gay? 

Everything - all the LGBT stuff uses both a religious mentality and arguments. If you do a proper comparision, it would be very hard to illustrate that homosexuality is nothing more or less than a religious belief.

Eh?  You think gay people are attracted to people of their own gender because of religious beliefs? What religious beliefs are those? You've completely lost me...

Being attracted to your own gender is no different to any other religious belief. "I must do this because the Lord tells me to" "I have a vision from God" et yadda. There is absolutely no difference in principle between the gay rights movement and any other church.

I have never in my life seen, heard or read any statement by a gay person saying "I must be with my own gender because I had a vision/God told me to." Please explain! 

Replace God with the unshakable belief that man must shove dick up anothers arse and you get a little closer to my point...

I have never heard anyone say that "Man must shove dick up another's arse." Where are you getting this?! 

Do I really have to spell out my argument in dripping detail so that you get it? Compare Stonewall et al to a religious movement or group and you find that they behave in exactly the same way. They all have their delusions that they follow. They all think that they have the right to get offended if someone questions their delusions, moreover they believe that those who offend them should be punished for doing so. Along with this, they have an extensive set of rituals that go well beyond fucking people up the arse. They claim to have a culture.

Structually and practically, it is a religion and should be treated as such. There is no decent scientific evidence that people are born gay - rather they have been taken in by the ideas behind it. It is a lifestyle and a lifestyle choice.

was the civil rights movement in america a religon?
i always thought it was about having a voice and equity.

There is a crucial difference between the Black Rights cause and the Gay Rights one. Black rights are far more important than Gay rights. One group are after life, the other a lifestyle choice. Given the current state of disabled rights (again for the same reason a better cause that Gay rights), the Gay rights people need to shut up and let the political capital be spent on those in actual need of it.

gay people are still discriminated in the workplace.  they are the subject of many hate crimes.

i would say that those two are decent reasons for life.

Disabled and black people have (had) it far worse. More to the point, Gay people have an easy choice here - don't declare. If hate crime happens, then they are protected like the rest of the population. Where is the option not to declare for disabled people, without it being a poisoned chalice, regardless which you drink.

[Christopher McCandless]

are you closed minded?  these subjects are very pertinent to you if you would take them for their lesson.

I'm not closed minded. I know what I am.

You are deluded.

(And a coward - though he has me on ignore. My posts are obviously too much for him.)

[GalileoAce]

are you closed minded?  these subjects are very pertinent to you if you would take them for their lesson.

I'm not closed minded. I know what I am.

You are deluded.

(And a coward - though he has me on ignore. My posts are obviously too much for him.)

I'm not a he/him.

How am I deluded?

I have you on ignore because you seem to consistently spout ignorant nonsense. Acting all authoritative on issues you obviously have clue about.

["couldbecousin"]

What has religion got to do with being gay? 

Everything - all the LGBT stuff uses both a religious mentality and arguments. If you do a proper comparision, it would be very hard to illustrate that homosexuality is nothing more or less than a religious belief.

Eh?  You think gay people are attracted to people of their own gender because of religious beliefs? What religious beliefs are those? You've completely lost me...

Being attracted to your own gender is no different to any other religious belief. "I must do this because the Lord tells me to" "I have a vision from God" et yadda. There is absolutely no difference in principle between the gay rights movement and any other church.

I have never in my life seen, heard or read any statement by a gay person saying "I must be with my own gender because I had a vision/God told me to." Please explain! 

Replace God with the unshakable belief that man must shove dick up anothers arse and you get a little closer to my point...

I have never heard anyone say that "Man must shove dick up another's arse." Where are you getting this?! 

Do I really have to spell out my argument in dripping detail so that you get it? Compare Stonewall et al to a religious movement or group and you find that they behave in exactly the same way. They all have their delusions that they follow. They all think that they have the right to get offended if someone questions their delusions, moreover they believe that those who offend them should be punished for doing so. Along with this, they have an extensive set of rituals that go well beyond fucking people up the arse. They claim to have a culture.

Structually and practically, it is a religion and should be treated as such. There is no decent scientific evidence that people are born gay - rather they have been taken in by the ideas behind it. It is a lifestyle and a lifestyle choice.

So all gay people are actually straight, and just forcing themselves to have sex with people of their own gender, because they think the "lifestyle" is cool? Do you think anyone is truly gay?  

I think we have choices over our own actions. There are people who are strongly convinced that they are born religious, that their beliefs are a basis of life and all decisions that they make. Is that any different to the argument that gay people make? Really they have made a choice to be gay, in the same way the devoutly religious person does not see that they have made a choice to be devoutly religious. It is just another way of abdicating responsbility for ones own actions. They are choosing to act against a set of defined norms and trying to change them for no good reason. Really they are just weak people, however much they want to pretend otherwise. Same with the majority of the population who base their thinking around religious mentality, whether they follow a recognised religion or not.

In the other corner, we have black and disabled people who have (or had in the case of black people) no choice whatsover in acting against the current set of social norms. Correcting these social norms should be the priority. Not indulging the whims of feeble minds at the expense of far more worthy causes.

This is the strangest discussion I've ever had with anyone...I've never heard any religious person say he was "born religious"---taught to be religious, by parents or by a pastor, but not born religious. And I find it very hard to believe that truly heterosexual people deliberately act against their heterosexuality just to "act against a set of defined norms." I will ask you again, do you really believe that everyone is born straight?

[Christopher McCandless]

are you closed minded?  these subjects are very pertinent to you if you would take them for their lesson.

I'm not closed minded. I know what I am.

You are deluded.

(And a coward - though he has me on ignore. My posts are obviously too much for him.)

I'm not a he/him.

How am I deluded?

I have you on ignore because you seem to consistently spout ignorant nonsense. Acting all authoritative on issues you obviously have clue about.

I think every can tell you have moobs and a small dick. Your the one in denial here. You are the one sprouting not only ignorant nonsense, but ignorant nonsense to the extent in which it has reached damaging self delusion. I feel sorry for you, I really do.

[GalileoAce]

are you closed minded?  these subjects are very pertinent to you if you would take them for their lesson.

I'm not closed minded. I know what I am.

You are deluded.

(And a coward - though he has me on ignore. My posts are obviously too much for him.)

I'm not a he/him.

How am I deluded?

I have you on ignore because you seem to consistently spout ignorant nonsense. Acting all authoritative on issues you obviously have clue about.

I think every can tell you have moobs and a small dick. Your the one in denial here. You are the one sprouting not only ignorant nonsense, but ignorant nonsense to the extent in which it has reached damaging self delusion. I feel sorry for you, I really do.

You're*

[McGiver]

are you closed minded?  these subjects are very pertinent to you if you would take them for their lesson.

I'm not closed minded. I know what I am.

yes but you will viewed as a homosexual.  this way you can get to know the mind of the bigots that argue against you.

now take hadron off ignore.  you may learn something....right or wrong.

[Christopher McCandless]

What has religion got to do with being gay? 

Everything - all the LGBT stuff uses both a religious mentality and arguments. If you do a proper comparision, it would be very hard to illustrate that homosexuality is nothing more or less than a religious belief.

Eh?  You think gay people are attracted to people of their own gender because of religious beliefs? What religious beliefs are those? You've completely lost me...

Being attracted to your own gender is no different to any other religious belief. "I must do this because the Lord tells me to" "I have a vision from God" et yadda. There is absolutely no difference in principle between the gay rights movement and any other church.

I have never in my life seen, heard or read any statement by a gay person saying "I must be with my own gender because I had a vision/God told me to." Please explain! 

Replace God with the unshakable belief that man must shove dick up anothers arse and you get a little closer to my point...

I have never heard anyone say that "Man must shove dick up another's arse." Where are you getting this?! 

Do I really have to spell out my argument in dripping detail so that you get it? Compare Stonewall et al to a religious movement or group and you find that they behave in exactly the same way. They all have their delusions that they follow. They all think that they have the right to get offended if someone questions their delusions, moreover they believe that those who offend them should be punished for doing so. Along with this, they have an extensive set of rituals that go well beyond fucking people up the arse. They claim to have a culture.

Structually and practically, it is a religion and should be treated as such. There is no decent scientific evidence that people are born gay - rather they have been taken in by the ideas behind it. It is a lifestyle and a lifestyle choice.

So all gay people are actually straight, and just forcing themselves to have sex with people of their own gender, because they think the "lifestyle" is cool? Do you think anyone is truly gay?  

I think we have choices over our own actions. There are people who are strongly convinced that they are born religious, that their beliefs are a basis of life and all decisions that they make. Is that any different to the argument that gay people make? Really they have made a choice to be gay, in the same way the devoutly religious person does not see that they have made a choice to be devoutly religious. It is just another way of abdicating responsbility for ones own actions. They are choosing to act against a set of defined norms and trying to change them for no good reason. Really they are just weak people, however much they want to pretend otherwise. Same with the majority of the population who base their thinking around religious mentality, whether they follow a recognised religion or not.

In the other corner, we have black and disabled people who have (or had in the case of black people) no choice whatsover in acting against the current set of social norms. Correcting these social norms should be the priority. Not indulging the whims of feeble minds at the expense of far more worthy causes.

This is the strangest discussion I've ever had with anyone...I've never heard any religious person say he was "born religious"---taught to be religious, by parents or by a pastor, but not born religious.

No - but most religious people who stick at it cannot see things another way, same with gay people.

And I find it very hard to believe that truly heterosexual people deliberately act against their heterosexuality just to "act against a set of defined norms." I will ask you again, do you really believe that everyone is born straight?

I am not saying its a delibrate choice, not at least on a concious level. But it is a decision that acts against the current set of social norms, which they then expect everyone to change to fit around them. Its the same way that someone might become religious. They claim that they have a calling of some sort in many cases. But very few wake up one morning and just like that decide they want to believe in God. Rather, they drift into it.

[GalileoAce]

yes but you will viewed as a homosexual.

So?

now take hadron off ignore.  you may learn something....right or wrong.

No.

["couldbecousin"]

What has religion got to do with being gay? 

Everything - all the LGBT stuff uses both a religious mentality and arguments. If you do a proper comparision, it would be very hard to illustrate that homosexuality is nothing more or less than a religious belief.

Eh?  You think gay people are attracted to people of their own gender because of religious beliefs? What religious beliefs are those? You've completely lost me...

Being attracted to your own gender is no different to any other religious belief. "I must do this because the Lord tells me to" "I have a vision from God" et yadda. There is absolutely no difference in principle between the gay rights movement and any other church.

I have never in my life seen, heard or read any statement by a gay person saying "I must be with my own gender because I had a vision/God told me to." Please explain! 

Replace God with the unshakable belief that man must shove dick up anothers arse and you get a little closer to my point...

I have never heard anyone say that "Man must shove dick up another's arse." Where are you getting this?! 

Do I really have to spell out my argument in dripping detail so that you get it? Compare Stonewall et al to a religious movement or group and you find that they behave in exactly the same way. They all have their delusions that they follow. They all think that they have the right to get offended if someone questions their delusions, moreover they believe that those who offend them should be punished for doing so. Along with this, they have an extensive set of rituals that go well beyond fucking people up the arse. They claim to have a culture.

Structually and practically, it is a religion and should be treated as such. There is no decent scientific evidence that people are born gay - rather they have been taken in by the ideas behind it. It is a lifestyle and a lifestyle choice.

So all gay people are actually straight, and just forcing themselves to have sex with people of their own gender, because they think the "lifestyle" is cool? Do you think anyone is truly gay?  

I think we have choices over our own actions. There are people who are strongly convinced that they are born religious, that their beliefs are a basis of life and all decisions that they make. Is that any different to the argument that gay people make? Really they have made a choice to be gay, in the same way the devoutly religious person does not see that they have made a choice to be devoutly religious. It is just another way of abdicating responsbility for ones own actions. They are choosing to act against a set of defined norms and trying to change them for no good reason. Really they are just weak people, however much they want to pretend otherwise. Same with the majority of the population who base their thinking around religious mentality, whether they follow a recognised religion or not.

In the other corner, we have black and disabled people who have (or had in the case of black people) no choice whatsover in acting against the current set of social norms. Correcting these social norms should be the priority. Not indulging the whims of feeble minds at the expense of far more worthy causes.

This is the strangest discussion I've ever had with anyone...I've never heard any religious person say he was "born religious"---taught to be religious, by parents or by a pastor, but not born religious.

No - but most religious people who stick at it cannot see things another way, same with gay people.

And I find it very hard to believe that truly heterosexual people deliberately act against their heterosexuality just to "act against a set of defined norms." I will ask you again, do you really believe that everyone is born straight?

I am not saying its a delibrate choice, not at least on a concious level. But it is a decision that acts against the current set of social norms, which they then expect everyone to change to fit around them. Its the same way that someone might become religious. They claim that they have a calling of some sort in many cases. But very few wake up one morning and just like that decide they want to believe in God. Rather, they drift into it.

But what would be the motive for a genuinely straight person to "drift into" homosexuality? If he was not at all attracted to people of his own gender, do you really think the appeal of rebelling against convention would be enough to keep him from dating/falling in love with the people who did attract him?

[Eclair]

That makes you gay, then.

What's wrong with being gay?

Isn't Duke Nukem the one who goes on about fucking dogs anyway? As if you'd care what he thinks?

[Christopher McCandless]

are you closed minded?  these subjects are very pertinent to you if you would take them for their lesson.

I'm not closed minded. I know what I am.

yes but you will viewed as a homosexual.  this way you can get to know the mind of the bigots that argue against you.

now take hadron off ignore.  you may learn something....right or wrong.

I think its a tad disingenious to call me one. But that is basically how Stonewall et al take up loads of political capital. Anyone who argues against them gets branded as an xenophobe. They are no better than the Pope when he mistreated Galileo.

Really everyone needs to take a step back and see how damaging gay rights is to our (disabled) rights. That is my objection. I don't give a damn whatever religious or sexual activity people get on with in their lives. I object when their activities start to impinge on my rights and opportunities. How does that make me a bigot?

[GalileoAce]

Humans individually are quite intelligent. But in groups they are not. This has been proven in at least one study, possibly more.

So why on earth would anyone want to follow what society says?

Really everyone needs to take a step back and see how damaging gay rights is to our (disabled) rights. That is my objection. I don't give a damn whatever religious or sexual activity people get on with in their lives. I object when their activities start to impinge on my rights and opportunities. How does that make me a bigot?

You're a moron. Standing up for minority rights, no matter the group can only help other minorities, pave the way as it were.

[Christopher McCandless]

What has religion got to do with being gay? 

Everything - all the LGBT stuff uses both a religious mentality and arguments. If you do a proper comparision, it would be very hard to illustrate that homosexuality is nothing more or less than a religious belief.

Eh?  You think gay people are attracted to people of their own gender because of religious beliefs? What religious beliefs are those? You've completely lost me...

Being attracted to your own gender is no different to any other religious belief. "I must do this because the Lord tells me to" "I have a vision from God" et yadda. There is absolutely no difference in principle between the gay rights movement and any other church.

I have never in my life seen, heard or read any statement by a gay person saying "I must be with my own gender because I had a vision/God told me to." Please explain! 

Replace God with the unshakable belief that man must shove dick up anothers arse and you get a little closer to my point...

I have never heard anyone say that "Man must shove dick up another's arse." Where are you getting this?! 

Do I really have to spell out my argument in dripping detail so that you get it? Compare Stonewall et al to a religious movement or group and you find that they behave in exactly the same way. They all have their delusions that they follow. They all think that they have the right to get offended if someone questions their delusions, moreover they believe that those who offend them should be punished for doing so. Along with this, they have an extensive set of rituals that go well beyond fucking people up the arse. They claim to have a culture.

Structually and practically, it is a religion and should be treated as such. There is no decent scientific evidence that people are born gay - rather they have been taken in by the ideas behind it. It is a lifestyle and a lifestyle choice.

So all gay people are actually straight, and just forcing themselves to have sex with people of their own gender, because they think the "lifestyle" is cool? Do you think anyone is truly gay?  

I think we have choices over our own actions. There are people who are strongly convinced that they are born religious, that their beliefs are a basis of life and all decisions that they make. Is that any different to the argument that gay people make? Really they have made a choice to be gay, in the same way the devoutly religious person does not see that they have made a choice to be devoutly religious. It is just another way of abdicating responsbility for ones own actions. They are choosing to act against a set of defined norms and trying to change them for no good reason. Really they are just weak people, however much they want to pretend otherwise. Same with the majority of the population who base their thinking around religious mentality, whether they follow a recognised religion or not.

In the other corner, we have black and disabled people who have (or had in the case of black people) no choice whatsover in acting against the current set of social norms. Correcting these social norms should be the priority. Not indulging the whims of feeble minds at the expense of far more worthy causes.

This is the strangest discussion I've ever had with anyone...I've never heard any religious person say he was "born religious"---taught to be religious, by parents or by a pastor, but not born religious.

No - but most religious people who stick at it cannot see things another way, same with gay people.

And I find it very hard to believe that truly heterosexual people deliberately act against their heterosexuality just to "act against a set of defined norms." I will ask you again, do you really believe that everyone is born straight?

I am not saying its a delibrate choice, not at least on a concious level. But it is a decision that acts against the current set of social norms, which they then expect everyone to change to fit around them. Its the same way that someone might become religious. They claim that they have a calling of some sort in many cases. But very few wake up one morning and just like that decide they want to believe in God. Rather, they drift into it.

But what would be the motive for a genuinely straight person to "drift into" homosexuality? If he was not at all attracted to people of his own gender, do you really think the appeal of rebelling against convention would be enough to keep him from dating/falling in love with the people who did attract him?

The same reason that GA has decided that this week he is a woman. Because they are failing at society and need something to hide behind. Its about saving face - its harder to fit in as a straight atheist male than it is if you join a religious clique or become gay. Really we are talking about misplaced blame - rather than recognise where they are going wrong in the current system, they try to switch into a different set of parameters. GA is ultimately going to end up being disappointed.

[McGiver]

are you closed minded?  these subjects are very pertinent to you if you would take them for their lesson.

I'm not closed minded. I know what I am.

yes but you will viewed as a homosexual.  this way you can get to know the mind of the bigots that argue against you.

now take hadron off ignore.  you may learn something....right or wrong.

I think its a tad disingenious to call me one. But that is basically how Stonewall et al take up loads of political capital. Anyone who argues against them gets branded as an xenophobe. They are no better than the Pope when he mistreated Galileo.

Really everyone needs to take a step back and see how damaging gay rights is to our (disabled) rights. That is my objection. I don't give a damn whatever religious or sexual activity people get on with in their lives. I object when their activities start to impinge on my rights and opportunities. How does that make me a bigot?

you don't let people be who they choose to be without forming opinions, judgements about their behavior.

let people live how they want just so long as they don't hurt others.