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Quote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:43:34 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:39:24 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:35:09 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:32:31 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way. I never said he had no aspirations, just that he wasn't the incredibly driven character you were making him out to be. And he was very opportunistic. So he actually made a lot of it up along the way, rather than following some strict plan.Hitler was a very private person - its very different to say if he had a plan in his head or not. Though, either he had a plan, or he was an amazing strategist. Most likely a combination of both. It's very unlikely there was a definite plan. He had a very obvious worldview, but look at his early thoughts on Britain etc. He exploited things and responded to problems as they came up. Not many people would agree that he had a strict plan.Obviously there's no way of knowing what he was thinking, but if you look at the evidence available right through his adult life, you can make pretty good guessesI would say the most likely thing is he had a strategical framework, in which he slotted in opportunities. I take a similar approach when I need to tbh.You're nothing like Hitler though, but I am his reincarnation and blood relative.
Quote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:39:24 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:35:09 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:32:31 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way. I never said he had no aspirations, just that he wasn't the incredibly driven character you were making him out to be. And he was very opportunistic. So he actually made a lot of it up along the way, rather than following some strict plan.Hitler was a very private person - its very different to say if he had a plan in his head or not. Though, either he had a plan, or he was an amazing strategist. Most likely a combination of both. It's very unlikely there was a definite plan. He had a very obvious worldview, but look at his early thoughts on Britain etc. He exploited things and responded to problems as they came up. Not many people would agree that he had a strict plan.Obviously there's no way of knowing what he was thinking, but if you look at the evidence available right through his adult life, you can make pretty good guessesI would say the most likely thing is he had a strategical framework, in which he slotted in opportunities. I take a similar approach when I need to tbh.
Quote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:35:09 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:32:31 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way. I never said he had no aspirations, just that he wasn't the incredibly driven character you were making him out to be. And he was very opportunistic. So he actually made a lot of it up along the way, rather than following some strict plan.Hitler was a very private person - its very different to say if he had a plan in his head or not. Though, either he had a plan, or he was an amazing strategist. Most likely a combination of both. It's very unlikely there was a definite plan. He had a very obvious worldview, but look at his early thoughts on Britain etc. He exploited things and responded to problems as they came up. Not many people would agree that he had a strict plan.Obviously there's no way of knowing what he was thinking, but if you look at the evidence available right through his adult life, you can make pretty good guesses
Quote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:32:31 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way. I never said he had no aspirations, just that he wasn't the incredibly driven character you were making him out to be. And he was very opportunistic. So he actually made a lot of it up along the way, rather than following some strict plan.Hitler was a very private person - its very different to say if he had a plan in his head or not. Though, either he had a plan, or he was an amazing strategist. Most likely a combination of both.
Quote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way. I never said he had no aspirations, just that he wasn't the incredibly driven character you were making him out to be. And he was very opportunistic. So he actually made a lot of it up along the way, rather than following some strict plan.
Quote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way.
I don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass.
It's very unlikely there was a definite plan. He had a very obvious worldview, but look at his early thoughts on Britain etc. He exploited things and responded to problems as they came up. Not many people would agree that he had a strict plan.
Quote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:45:43 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:44:33 PMQuote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:39:38 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:37:52 PMSo how are you like Hitler?1) Military service and decorations? No.2) Position of authority in a significant political party? Not that you have indicated.3) Charismatic public speaker? Probably not.4) Ability to get others (not your parents) to do your bidding? Not likely.What information am I missing that would make you seem to be Hitler like? The last two fit me very well. You must also consider that Hitler lived in a different time. Pretty much every psychological and social/political expert who has analyzed him have reached the conclusion that if he had lived in any other time he wouldn't have achieved what he did. It was circumstances and the state of the Germany at the time which made for his success.So all you need to be dictator of Sweden is to have it fall into your lap? Okay that does seem likely to happen anyday now. Boy is odeon going to regret being on your shit list. I can't become dictator of Sweden in this day and age through my Hitler abilities alone.Plenty of other aspies have managed to become modern day dictators. Try Dear Kim as an obvious example.
Quote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:44:33 PMQuote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:39:38 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:37:52 PMSo how are you like Hitler?1) Military service and decorations? No.2) Position of authority in a significant political party? Not that you have indicated.3) Charismatic public speaker? Probably not.4) Ability to get others (not your parents) to do your bidding? Not likely.What information am I missing that would make you seem to be Hitler like? The last two fit me very well. You must also consider that Hitler lived in a different time. Pretty much every psychological and social/political expert who has analyzed him have reached the conclusion that if he had lived in any other time he wouldn't have achieved what he did. It was circumstances and the state of the Germany at the time which made for his success.So all you need to be dictator of Sweden is to have it fall into your lap? Okay that does seem likely to happen anyday now. Boy is odeon going to regret being on your shit list. I can't become dictator of Sweden in this day and age through my Hitler abilities alone.
Quote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:39:38 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:37:52 PMSo how are you like Hitler?1) Military service and decorations? No.2) Position of authority in a significant political party? Not that you have indicated.3) Charismatic public speaker? Probably not.4) Ability to get others (not your parents) to do your bidding? Not likely.What information am I missing that would make you seem to be Hitler like? The last two fit me very well. You must also consider that Hitler lived in a different time. Pretty much every psychological and social/political expert who has analyzed him have reached the conclusion that if he had lived in any other time he wouldn't have achieved what he did. It was circumstances and the state of the Germany at the time which made for his success.So all you need to be dictator of Sweden is to have it fall into your lap? Okay that does seem likely to happen anyday now. Boy is odeon going to regret being on your shit list.
Quote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:37:52 PMSo how are you like Hitler?1) Military service and decorations? No.2) Position of authority in a significant political party? Not that you have indicated.3) Charismatic public speaker? Probably not.4) Ability to get others (not your parents) to do your bidding? Not likely.What information am I missing that would make you seem to be Hitler like? The last two fit me very well. You must also consider that Hitler lived in a different time. Pretty much every psychological and social/political expert who has analyzed him have reached the conclusion that if he had lived in any other time he wouldn't have achieved what he did. It was circumstances and the state of the Germany at the time which made for his success.
So how are you like Hitler?1) Military service and decorations? No.2) Position of authority in a significant political party? Not that you have indicated.3) Charismatic public speaker? Probably not.4) Ability to get others (not your parents) to do your bidding? Not likely.What information am I missing that would make you seem to be Hitler like?
Quote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:43:34 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:39:24 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:35:09 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:32:31 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way. I never said he had no aspirations, just that he wasn't the incredibly driven character you were making him out to be. And he was very opportunistic. So he actually made a lot of it up along the way, rather than following some strict plan.Hitler was a very private person - its very different to say if he had a plan in his head or not. Though, either he had a plan, or he was an amazing strategist. Most likely a combination of both. It's very unlikely there was a definite plan. He had a very obvious worldview, but look at his early thoughts on Britain etc. He exploited things and responded to problems as they came up. Not many people would agree that he had a strict plan.Obviously there's no way of knowing what he was thinking, but if you look at the evidence available right through his adult life, you can make pretty good guessesI would say the most likely thing is he had a strategical framework, in which he slotted in opportunities. I take a similar approach when I need to tbh.You're nothing like Hitler though, but I am his reincarnation and blood relative.My classmates gave me "Most Likely to be a Dictator" award when I left. Better qualified than you are.
Quote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:53:08 PMQuote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:45:43 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:44:33 PMQuote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:39:38 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:37:52 PMSo how are you like Hitler?1) Military service and decorations? No.2) Position of authority in a significant political party? Not that you have indicated.3) Charismatic public speaker? Probably not.4) Ability to get others (not your parents) to do your bidding? Not likely.What information am I missing that would make you seem to be Hitler like? The last two fit me very well. You must also consider that Hitler lived in a different time. Pretty much every psychological and social/political expert who has analyzed him have reached the conclusion that if he had lived in any other time he wouldn't have achieved what he did. It was circumstances and the state of the Germany at the time which made for his success.So all you need to be dictator of Sweden is to have it fall into your lap? Okay that does seem likely to happen anyday now. Boy is odeon going to regret being on your shit list. I can't become dictator of Sweden in this day and age through my Hitler abilities alone.Plenty of other aspies have managed to become modern day dictators. Try Dear Kim as an obvious example. Kim Jong Il is an aspie yes, but plenty? No.And these people are in the developing countries or nations without any democratic tradition anyway.
Quote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:47:16 PMQuote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:43:34 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:39:24 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:35:09 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:32:31 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way. I never said he had no aspirations, just that he wasn't the incredibly driven character you were making him out to be. And he was very opportunistic. So he actually made a lot of it up along the way, rather than following some strict plan.Hitler was a very private person - its very different to say if he had a plan in his head or not. Though, either he had a plan, or he was an amazing strategist. Most likely a combination of both. It's very unlikely there was a definite plan. He had a very obvious worldview, but look at his early thoughts on Britain etc. He exploited things and responded to problems as they came up. Not many people would agree that he had a strict plan.Obviously there's no way of knowing what he was thinking, but if you look at the evidence available right through his adult life, you can make pretty good guessesI would say the most likely thing is he had a strategical framework, in which he slotted in opportunities. I take a similar approach when I need to tbh.You're nothing like Hitler though, but I am his reincarnation and blood relative.My classmates gave me "Most Likely to be a Dictator" award when I left. Better qualified than you are. No, you're the uncharismatic fugly type who just reads a lot of politics and history. I'm the true charismatic genius, this is my strongest gift. You're the one who masturbates while thinking of dictators, I'm the one who has been labeled "Hitler" more times than I can remember just through being myself.
Quote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 07:06:56 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:53:08 PMQuote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:45:43 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:44:33 PMQuote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:39:38 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:37:52 PMSo how are you like Hitler?1) Military service and decorations? No.2) Position of authority in a significant political party? Not that you have indicated.3) Charismatic public speaker? Probably not.4) Ability to get others (not your parents) to do your bidding? Not likely.What information am I missing that would make you seem to be Hitler like? The last two fit me very well. You must also consider that Hitler lived in a different time. Pretty much every psychological and social/political expert who has analyzed him have reached the conclusion that if he had lived in any other time he wouldn't have achieved what he did. It was circumstances and the state of the Germany at the time which made for his success.So all you need to be dictator of Sweden is to have it fall into your lap? Okay that does seem likely to happen anyday now. Boy is odeon going to regret being on your shit list. I can't become dictator of Sweden in this day and age through my Hitler abilities alone.Plenty of other aspies have managed to become modern day dictators. Try Dear Kim as an obvious example. Kim Jong Il is an aspie yes, but plenty? No.And these people are in the developing countries or nations without any democratic tradition anyway.Fine, try Gordon Brown and Boris Johnson in the UK. Obvious cases really if you look into their backgrounds. In democratic countries there are also aspies in less public roles, think about operators like Karl Rove. Whilst the aspie is not in direct view, they wield a lot of power.
Of course he had ambition, yes. And yes all politicians are opportunistic to an extent, but the point is that he often didn't plan any of these things to turn out the way they did. He just exploited the situation or took advantage of it when it came up. He didn't always force it through himself like you were making out.
Quote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 07:08:54 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:47:16 PMQuote from: Soleiyu on September 24, 2009, 06:44:38 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:43:34 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:39:24 PMQuote from: Christopher McCandless on September 24, 2009, 06:35:09 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:32:31 PMQuote from: PPK on September 24, 2009, 06:29:06 PMQuote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 06:22:17 PMI don't think Hitler was an aspie tbh, but the fact that Aspergers didn't technically "exist" back then doesn't mean people weren't aspies anyway, just without the label.And most historians (apart from the immediately post-war historians) wouldn't agree about him being focused on taking over and kicking ass. So he managed to sort of fall into the position of head of the NSDAP, then Chancellor and, ultimately, Fuhrer with no political aspirations? And Lebensraum was going to be acheived how? Negotiation? I wish I was that good at inadvertantly taking shit over and having my way. I never said he had no aspirations, just that he wasn't the incredibly driven character you were making him out to be. And he was very opportunistic. So he actually made a lot of it up along the way, rather than following some strict plan.Hitler was a very private person - its very different to say if he had a plan in his head or not. Though, either he had a plan, or he was an amazing strategist. Most likely a combination of both. It's very unlikely there was a definite plan. He had a very obvious worldview, but look at his early thoughts on Britain etc. He exploited things and responded to problems as they came up. Not many people would agree that he had a strict plan.Obviously there's no way of knowing what he was thinking, but if you look at the evidence available right through his adult life, you can make pretty good guessesI would say the most likely thing is he had a strategical framework, in which he slotted in opportunities. I take a similar approach when I need to tbh.You're nothing like Hitler though, but I am his reincarnation and blood relative.My classmates gave me "Most Likely to be a Dictator" award when I left. Better qualified than you are. No, you're the uncharismatic fugly type who just reads a lot of politics and history. I'm the true charismatic genius, this is my strongest gift. You're the one who masturbates while thinking of dictators, I'm the one who has been labeled "Hitler" more times than I can remember just through being myself.Actually, I don't read loads of politics and history. But I do know a lot about strategy, its the area that I have always been most intrested in. As for charisma, I am pretty effective on authority figures. On the other hand you don't exist.
Quote from: Rokossovsky on September 24, 2009, 07:10:35 PMOf course he had ambition, yes. And yes all politicians are opportunistic to an extent, but the point is that he often didn't plan any of these things to turn out the way they did. He just exploited the situation or took advantage of it when it came up. He didn't always force it through himself like you were making out.Where Soiledpants has just sat on his arse bullshitting from his keyboard.