propaganda and lies about the NHS

[Blasted]

being against gun ownership is usually not because of ignorance. and i think people in europe tend to support free speech more, if anything

Yes it is. Most cowardly gun haters (a tautology) have usually never touched a gun IRL. They think about guns as something with an evil "power" or something. It's just a piece of some hundred grams of metal/plastic/wood, some grams of nitrocellulose and some milligrams of lead azide.

how does that change anything? it could be made of fluff and feathers and that wouldn't change a thing. people aren't stupid

Yes, people are stupid. They don't think in a rational way. Why not starting with banning cars, tobacco and alcohol, if you want to save lives? Each one of them kills a hell of a lot more people than guns, but the stupid mob just believe what the politicians and the media tells them.

Those two generally take a fair amount of time and uses to kill, if they kill at all.  A gun could kill you in a few seconds.

What does it matter? 435000 Americans die of tobacco every year, but you don't hear hysterical cries for banning of cigarettes.

You don't understand that a person knows the risks that come with smoking.  Nobody is forcing them to do so, they do it out of their own free will.  If somebody shoots you, you have no say in the matter.

Yes I have. I can shoot back. If not the state denies me the right to self-defense like in sick fucking Sweden or sick fucking UK.

If it was a Western style duel, yeah you may have time to shoot back.  If somebody shoots you randomly, when you're asleep, in the shower or just with your back turned, there is nothing you can do to save yourself.  Most of those, alcohol, drugs, smoking, STDS are just human stupidity.  If people were more careful and health concious they wouldn't be dead.

['andersom']

Funny that guns come up here.

NHS or other social health insurances are about shared responsibilities and care.

Owning a gun is about individual power.

[Blasted]

Lit brought up guns  :lol:

[odeon]

This pretty well sums it up (from that Swedish board translated to English):

"The only reason that the people of Sweden may not own weapons as they want is that the state knows that it fucks with us and we do not have a chance to defend ourselves.

The state is not afraid of the people, which leads to the sickest Act after the other."

Wasn't this thread about the NHS and Obama's brave new world? There's already a gun thread.

[RageBeoulve]

Owning a gun is about being able to defend yourself against your government if the shit hits the fan. Thats one thing I agree with lit on.

[TheoK]

Owning a gun is about being able to defend yourself against your government if the shit hits the fan. Thats one thing I agree with lit on.

 

[odeon]

Owning a gun is about being able to defend yourself against your government if the shit hits the fan. Thats one thing I agree with lit on.

Sure, but the subject at hand had very little to do with guns. We already know it's his great obsession.

[TheoK]

Owning a gun is about being able to defend yourself against your government if the shit hits the fan. Thats one thing I agree with lit on.

Sure, but the subject at hand had very little to do with guns. We already knows it's his great obsession.

One of them. 

['andersom']

I may have my questions about my government. But I'm glad that they've got things like national health arranged in a pretty decent way. Would never have been possible without a functional government. Then we would be depending on the goodwill of some religious groups I fear. And some may do a terrific job. But having it arranged as a right is better imo.

[RageBeoulve]

Owning a gun is about being able to defend yourself against your government if the shit hits the fan. Thats one thing I agree with lit on.

Sure, but the subject at hand had very little to do with guns. We already knows it's his great obsession.

OH ok. I get it.  

[odeon]

Owning a gun is about being able to defend yourself against your government if the shit hits the fan. Thats one thing I agree with lit on.

Sure, but the subject at hand had very little to do with guns. We already knows it's his great obsession.

One of them. 

[Phlexor]

I'm glad we have our so called socialist health care system. I can see a GP and not have to pay money. I can visit and an Emergency Room and not have a bill. And because I'm on a Disability Support Pension, I get free Ambulance too (any low income earner gets free Ambulance). To have a baby in a hospital is also completely free.

Well I'm sure that wouldn't be good Americans though apparently.

Seriously though, I really don't understand why those Americans against it have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are now. From what I understand, even minor medical emergencies can wipe out a low income earner there. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[odeon]

AFAIK, yesterday's eye exam would have cost me a fortune in the US. In fact, I would probably not have done it, the way I understand the health insurance system works, and I certainly couldn't afford next week's more thorough exam. A friend of mine works at Eli Lily's in Indianapolis and told me some pretty scary stuff about how their insurance works. It seems that the system would not even allow a second opinion like the one I'll get. I would have to pay for it myself.

[Adam]

being against gun ownership is usually not because of ignorance. and i think people in europe tend to support free speech more, if anything

Yes it is. Most cowardly gun haters (a tautology) have usually never touched a gun IRL. They think about guns as something with an evil "power" or something. It's just a piece of some hundred grams of metal/plastic/wood, some grams of nitrocellulose and some milligrams of lead azide.

how does that change anything? it could be made of fluff and feathers and that wouldn't change a thing. people aren't stupid

Yes, people are stupid. They don't think in a rational way. Why not starting with banning cars, tobacco and alcohol, if you want to save lives? Each one of them kills a hell of a lot more people than guns, but the stupid mob just believe what the politicians and the media tells them.

what kind of world are you living in? cars are not designed to kill. yes they are dangerous in the wrong hands, but so are a lot of things. guns are actually designed to be lethal though. tobacco and alcohol don't kill others (yeah yeah i know passive smoking and unborn babies etc, but that's hardly the same)

[TheoK]

being against gun ownership is usually not because of ignorance. and i think people in europe tend to support free speech more, if anything

Yes it is. Most cowardly gun haters (a tautology) have usually never touched a gun IRL. They think about guns as something with an evil "power" or something. It's just a piece of some hundred grams of metal/plastic/wood, some grams of nitrocellulose and some milligrams of lead azide.

how does that change anything? it could be made of fluff and feathers and that wouldn't change a thing. people aren't stupid

Yes, people are stupid. They don't think in a rational way. Why not starting with banning cars, tobacco and alcohol, if you want to save lives? Each one of them kills a hell of a lot more people than guns, but the stupid mob just believe what the politicians and the media tells them.

what kind of world are you living in? cars are not designed to kill. yes they are dangerous in the wrong hands, but so are a lot of things. guns are actually designed to be lethal though. tobacco and alcohol don't kill others (yeah yeah i know passive smoking and unborn babies etc, but that's hardly the same)

I don't see what the purpose means when the result is that cars kill more people than guns.