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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2009, 10:25:39 AM »
So when I state that I don't trust the government with my personal information or to run my life you state that I am too stupid to know what is best for me.  But when your own data is at stake with those who know best at your Uni it's a different story is it? Hypocrite POS.

That's actually the way politicians here usually "argue": "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with guns", "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with drugs", "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with this and that"...and the outrageous thing is that most people accept this attitude from those arseholes.  :thumbdn:
They are right - ordinary people cannot be trusted, including politicians. It should be the bright, clever and imaginative people whom should be in charge. Politicians in most cases are merely ordinary people who have ended up being put into an extraordinary office.

Such as yourself, I take it..... Where's that flying pink elephant when you need it.
Obviously including myself.

Given some of the crap you've written on your 'theories' about how the world should be run, I'd say your far from being the sharpest knife in the drawer. We all know that politicians are fuckwits, but even you should know that any -ocracy you repalced the system with would be worse than the one we have. Take the mess socialism made out of Russia, and the mess fascism made out of Germany - neither worked and was doomed to fail from the start. If you want change, either form a party and run for election, or stop whining and do what YOU can to make your life a bit happier. Cos until you wake up, smell the coffee and realise that all your talk on revolution and meritocracies being the way to go, and an end to a nightmare being just a pipedream, then you'll just keep running around in circles, like a headless chook.

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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2009, 10:26:20 AM »
I'd rather have a few idiots with guns than a million idiots with guns

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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2009, 10:55:38 AM »
So when I state that I don't trust the government with my personal information or to run my life you state that I am too stupid to know what is best for me.  But when your own data is at stake with those who know best at your Uni it's a different story is it? Hypocrite POS.

That's actually the way politicians here usually "argue": "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with guns", "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with drugs", "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with this and that"...and the outrageous thing is that most people accept this attitude from those arseholes.  :thumbdn:
They are right - ordinary people cannot be trusted, including politicians. It should be the bright, clever and imaginative people whom should be in charge. Politicians in most cases are merely ordinary people who have ended up being put into an extraordinary office.

Such as yourself, I take it..... Where's that flying pink elephant when you need it.
Obviously including myself.

Given some of the crap you've written on your 'theories' about how the world should be run, I'd say your far from being the sharpest knife in the drawer. We all know that politicians are fuckwits, but even you should know that any -ocracy you repalced the system with would be worse than the one we have. Take the mess socialism made out of Russia, and the mess fascism made out of Germany - neither worked and was doomed to fail from the start. If you want change, either form a party and run for election, or stop whining and do what YOU can to make your life a bit happier. Cos until you wake up, smell the coffee and realise that all your talk on revolution and meritocracies being the way to go, and an end to a nightmare being just a pipedream, then you'll just keep running around in circles, like a headless chook.

Actually as I pointed out there is a perfectly working society which has partially implemented the system I propose - Singapore. Singapore seems to do better in nearly every measure of national success than the US, but without having anything like the initial resources.

As for your examples - might want to check how Hitler came to being in charge of Germany. Last time I looked, he was elected. Along with many evil and useless governments. If anything liberalism has been the greatest obstacle to development in the 21st century.

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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2009, 11:12:03 AM »
Singapore :laugh:

We'll have to cane you for that one. 
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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2009, 11:15:59 AM »
So when I state that I don't trust the government with my personal information or to run my life you state that I am too stupid to know what is best for me.  But when your own data is at stake with those who know best at your Uni it's a different story is it? Hypocrite POS.

That's actually the way politicians here usually "argue": "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with guns", "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with drugs", "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with this and that"...and the outrageous thing is that most people accept this attitude from those arseholes.  :thumbdn:
They are right - ordinary people cannot be trusted, including politicians. It should be the bright, clever and imaginative people whom should be in charge. Politicians in most cases are merely ordinary people who have ended up being put into an extraordinary office.

Such as yourself, I take it..... Where's that flying pink elephant when you need it.
Obviously including myself.

Given some of the crap you've written on your 'theories' about how the world should be run, I'd say your far from being the sharpest knife in the drawer. We all know that politicians are fuckwits, but even you should know that any -ocracy you repalced the system with would be worse than the one we have. Take the mess socialism made out of Russia, and the mess fascism made out of Germany - neither worked and was doomed to fail from the start. If you want change, either form a party and run for election, or stop whining and do what YOU can to make your life a bit happier. Cos until you wake up, smell the coffee and realise that all your talk on revolution and meritocracies being the way to go, and an end to a nightmare being just a pipedream, then you'll just keep running around in circles, like a headless chook.

Actually as I pointed out there is a perfectly working society which has partially implemented the system I propose - Singapore. Singapore seems to do better in nearly every measure of national success than the US, but without having anything like the initial resources.

As for your examples - might want to check how Hitler came to being in charge of Germany. Last time I looked, he was elected. Along with many evil and useless governments. If anything liberalism has been the greatest obstacle to development in the 21st century.

He may have been elected as chancellor, but it was pretty much a bloodless coup. The previous chancellor (fucked if I remember his name - Hindenburg or some shit) was pretty much forced out of office by the machinations behind the scenes. The Germans pretty much had no choice but to elect the Nazis in 1933, and by Kristalnacht they had definitely begun to regret it. And the fact that Hitler had lost the war as well as killing himself AND the fact that by 1948 Germany was fucked economically spelled the death knell for that shit. I actually KNEW some Germans who had been through it, Hadron, so don't tell me to get MY facts right.

So, tell me - what would it achieve if you had a revolution in the UK that forced a meritocracy on its subjects like you want? Singapore is only a small island which still belongs to the Commonwealth (last time I looked), and their population is nowhere near the size of the UK. How would you guarantee trade and any other dealings with your EU neighbours? Or would you try to invade them and try to take them over viz Hitler in 1939? That would put you back where you started. How many others around you are thinking the same as you, and would want this 'meritocracy' to take place? If it's only your small Uni group, then you are fucked from the start - when was the last time you checked your own armed forces, or police force? Don't forget Kent State Uni in 1970 - and they were UNARMED.

Your best bet is to stop all this fantasizing and get with the real world and worry about what affects you.

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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2009, 11:38:33 AM »
So when I state that I don't trust the government with my personal information or to run my life you state that I am too stupid to know what is best for me.  But when your own data is at stake with those who know best at your Uni it's a different story is it? Hypocrite POS.

That's actually the way politicians here usually "argue": "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with guns", "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with drugs", "'Ordinary people' can't be trusted with this and that"...and the outrageous thing is that most people accept this attitude from those arseholes.  :thumbdn:
They are right - ordinary people cannot be trusted, including politicians. It should be the bright, clever and imaginative people whom should be in charge. Politicians in most cases are merely ordinary people who have ended up being put into an extraordinary office.

Such as yourself, I take it..... Where's that flying pink elephant when you need it.
Obviously including myself.

Given some of the crap you've written on your 'theories' about how the world should be run, I'd say your far from being the sharpest knife in the drawer. We all know that politicians are fuckwits, but even you should know that any -ocracy you repalced the system with would be worse than the one we have. Take the mess socialism made out of Russia, and the mess fascism made out of Germany - neither worked and was doomed to fail from the start. If you want change, either form a party and run for election, or stop whining and do what YOU can to make your life a bit happier. Cos until you wake up, smell the coffee and realise that all your talk on revolution and meritocracies being the way to go, and an end to a nightmare being just a pipedream, then you'll just keep running around in circles, like a headless chook.

Actually as I pointed out there is a perfectly working society which has partially implemented the system I propose - Singapore. Singapore seems to do better in nearly every measure of national success than the US, but without having anything like the initial resources.

As for your examples - might want to check how Hitler came to being in charge of Germany. Last time I looked, he was elected. Along with many evil and useless governments. If anything liberalism has been the greatest obstacle to development in the 21st century.

He may have been elected as chancellor, but it was pretty much a bloodless coup. The previous chancellor (fucked if I remember his name - Hindenburg or some shit) was pretty much forced out of office by the machinations behind the scenes. The Germans pretty much had no choice but to elect the Nazis in 1933, and by Kristalnacht they had definitely begun to regret it. And the fact that Hitler had lost the war as well as killing himself AND the fact that by 1948 Germany was fucked economically spelled the death knell for that shit. I actually KNEW some Germans who had been through it, Hadron, so don't tell me to get MY facts right.
You miss the point, the system of democracy has not changed, in fact it is ran on the basis of shit going on behind the scenes. So back to my point, Hitler emerged out of a democratic system and more importantly it could easily happen again.
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So, tell me - what would it achieve if you had a revolution in the UK that forced a meritocracy on its subjects like you want? Singapore is only a small island which still belongs to the Commonwealth (last time I looked), and their population is nowhere near the size of the UK. How would you guarantee trade and any other dealings with your EU neighbours? Or would you try to invade them and try to take them over viz Hitler in 1939? That would put you back where you started. How many others around you are thinking the same as you, and would want this 'meritocracy' to take place? If it's only your small Uni group, then you are fucked from the start - when was the last time you checked your own armed forces, or police force? Don't forget Kent State Uni in 1970 - and they were UNARMED.

Your best bet is to stop all this fantasizing and get with the real world and worry about what affects you.
Actually, to enforce a social meritocracy, you can do it behind the scenes by taking over significant organisations. Though if your trade problem emerged, I am sure Russia and China would back the new pariah of the world. Along with others. No need to worry at all, no one is going to annex us like Cuba. For one, we are too powerful.

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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2009, 11:46:24 AM »
Hitler still had a hell of a lot of support after Kristallnacht actually.

Whichever way you look at it - he wouldn't have got anywhere without their backing before 1938

also it wasn't "socialism" that made a mess of russia

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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2009, 12:16:13 PM »
Singapore :laugh:

We'll have to cane you for that one. 


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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2009, 12:27:33 PM »
Singapore :laugh:

We'll have to cane you for that one. 

Caning in schools wasn't a bad idea - at least it meant the kids learnt their timestables.

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« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2009, 01:14:56 PM »
I think a lot of aspies particularly would have had a bad time with that

from what I've seen (and it's the same with me too) kids with AS tend to respond better to encouragement rather than just punishment/fear

that's one of the biggest problems I had in school - they drag you down instead of telling you you can do it

if I'd been caned I think that would hvae just has the same effect only on a bigger scale

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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2009, 01:19:31 PM »
Any teacher trying to cane me would have gotten :boxers:

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Re: (For Americans) What the gun debate looks like in Europe
« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2009, 01:22:24 PM »
I think a lot of aspies particularly would have had a bad time with that

from what I've seen (and it's the same with me too) kids with AS tend to respond better to encouragement rather than just punishment/fear

that's one of the biggest problems I had in school - they drag you down instead of telling you you can do it

if I'd been caned I think that would hvae just has the same effect only on a bigger scale
I dunno - the generation of Aspies above us seem to be having a lot better time than our generation. I think the one-dimensional learning approach ended up being one that suited us quite a lot. Bear in mind most of my lecturers are probably somewhere on the spectrum, though they hide it well for the most part. The younger generation of academics seems to have a lot less of us in there...