whelen 35 has similar knock out and bigger caliber ... , than the 338.
a).358-.338=.020" That's the difference of about 8 human hairs.
a quote from somewhere online (somewhat reputable)
35 Whelen 250 grain at 2550 = 32.6
338 Win mag 250 grain at 2,700 = 32.6
b)Those loads are a little too hot.
.. ill take the extra stopping power, and less recoil of the 35...
c)For every action, there is an equal, and opposite, reaction. All else being equal, More stopping power=more recoil
(25lb recoil for whelen 35, 33lb for 338)
d)Those numbers are made up.
but yeah, if im hunting elk at long range, id prolly prefer the 338 WM, or just a 300WM or 30-06 (more meat for eat, less splat)
e)The .30-06 doesn't shoot flat enough for Elk at long range.
for deer id definetly prefer the 22-250. although doing so is illegal in some states because of minimum caliber restrictions.
f)That's because .22 calibers wound far more deer than they kill. A .243 is minimum for all but the smallest deer. .243 to 7mm-08 are the best cartriges for deer.
a)human hair=10 micrimeters=~.0004 inches
.020 inches diference = .0004 inches x 50
so thats roughly 50 human hairs or one half (.508) mm.
even touugh your math is off a little, i can agree with what you are saying here. its not that much difference.
in balistics though, a half millimeter is significant enough to mention. for example .41 mag vs .44 mag(.019 difference) is similar but anyone who has shot both many times can tell you that they are a bit different.
b) those loads are probably alot hot, and heavy.
c)there are many variables in recoil not just the weight of the bullet, but the weight of the gun, the load, the type of shell, the action(bolt or semi), barell length and rifling, etc.
so in this case the reaction would be different if the action(phisics) differed, even if some of the variables where the same, some are still different.
ive heard that its the case shape that makes the difference here. ie- significantly less bottleneck on 35W compared to 338WM
d) fudged or estimated more likely...they came from the op here...
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=36085seemed like reputable info to me, and im too lazy to dig up any real info, if its even available. (if you know where to find info like this with truly controlled variables i would be very happy to see it. i love balistics charts)
e)depends on the gun, round, shooter, and how long of range.
should be good up to 250-300ish at least, with a good gun, round, shooter
f) thats because of shitty shooters, not the round. if you cant ensure a kill with every hit, then use a bigger gun.
but IF you are a great shot, the 22 250 will do fine, cause its extremely acurate at long range.
many states regulate deer hunting to centerfire cartriges only, with no restrictions on caliber.
az is one of them, allowing ANY centerfire cartrige to be used on ANY large game, including bear and elk
you seem pretty knowledgeable in hunting. what kind of kills have you made?
ive never been hunting for big game, but i know some people know that alot about this stuff from years of experience.
in typical aspie fashion, I learn alot of details about cirtain things (like guns) but have little real life experience in doing them.
ive been rabbit hunting with hundreds of kills(22 and club), worked as a professional indoor pidgeon extterminator(22 birdshot) close to a hundred kills, and ive shot shotguns, rifles, pistols, revolvers, and even a fully-auto. 12ga,20ga,410ga,30-06,22-250,300 weatherby,22 hornet,22mag,22lr,9mm,44mag,40s&w,357mag,38spl,and 223, im sure i forgot a few.
the purpose of this gun is solely for brown (but maybe grizly) bear and mt. lion(big) protection while in extreme remote wilderness. not hunting.
i need a semi, pump, or lever action gun thats less than 8 lbs, portable, accurate and able to kill from 20 to 200 yards, and something that i can whip out on short notice.
ive looked at lever marlin lever, BLR, remington 750, and some hand cannon revolvers in 30/30, 450M, 460 s&w, and 45/70. am considering a rifle/revolver combo if i can keep the overall weight down.
i want something bigger than 338 but not TOO powerful. cause im a little guy(6ft 160lbs) with shoulder injurys.
something thatll kill a good sized bear or cat, with preferably less recoil than a 30-06(i know that last part is a little unrealistic)
also it needs to be new or relatively new. i dont want to fuck with a messed up used barel.
what would you recomend?