Sayings you hate

[renaeden]

I've heard "a change is as good as a holiday"

And no, that isn't either.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

Some info about "a change is as good as a rest" here:

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/196489/did-sir-arthur-conan-doyle-coin-the-proverb-a-change-is-as-good-as-a-rest

Like Ren, I have only ever heard "a change is as good as a holiday" prior to reading "a change is as good as a rest" in this thread. Must be a Strayan thing.

A change can be refreshing, depending on the nature of the change. Some changes can be exhausting.

[Grey Area]

Meteoric rise

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

People using "penultimate" as a hyperbolic form of "ultimate".

[odeon]

Over here, I heard "application"  used more often than a program. You had to open your program (operating system) and "launch" your application within "Workgroups."  At least that was the language most commonly use.

Thought there are system programs and application programs, so essentially they're all programs and applications simply aren't system specific. Maybe Odeon can clarify.

Most system apps are just apps used by the system. There's not much of a distinction, usually, except that system apps may not have a user interface and so no means for a user to access them directly.

The OS is really also an app - actually a series of apps - acting on top of a BIOS and various firmware. And you could regard drivers as system apps, but again, the distinction is blurred.

Oh, and "workgroups" brings back memories.

That seems to negate Calandale's definition of an application, that an app is a program with a UI. So then what's the distinction between an application and a program, or is there any real difference?

IMHO, there is no real difference. Calling things "apps" is just the hip thing to do these days. I'm not aware of any formal attempt at distinguishing between the two.

We used to call software "programs", both those with an UI and those without, long before the term "app" was in widespread use.

[odeon]

People using "penultimate" as a hyperbolic form of "ultimate".

Hadn't heard thins one. 

[Jack]

Over here, I heard "application"  used more often than a program. You had to open your program (operating system) and "launch" your application within "Workgroups."  At least that was the language most commonly use.

Thought there are system programs and application programs, so essentially they're all programs and applications simply aren't system specific. Maybe Odeon can clarify.

Most system apps are just apps used by the system. There's not much of a distinction, usually, except that system apps may not have a user interface and so no means for a user to access them directly.

The OS is really also an app - actually a series of apps - acting on top of a BIOS and various firmware. And you could regard drivers as system apps, but again, the distinction is blurred.

Oh, and "workgroups" brings back memories.

That seems to negate Calandale's definition of an application, that an app is a program with a UI. So then what's the distinction between an application and a program, or is there any real difference?

IMHO, there is no real difference. Calling things "apps" is just the hip thing to do these days. I'm not aware of any formal attempt at distinguishing between the two.

We used to call software "programs", both those with an UI and those without, long before the term "app" was in widespread use.

Thanks.

[Lestat]

Quite. No need to nitpick and assign values on  microscale range to it. Its a fucking program, software, no need for this nauseating 'app' shyte.

And agree on 'meteoric rise'....since when did meteors take off from the soil and fly upwards. They fall, not bloody rise. Whoever came up with that...bet it's a politician? sounds like politician bollockspeak to me, just has that odious slimy feel to it, if that makes sense.

And on that note, politician shitspeak. EWW. I just despise it, it turns my stomach and makes me want to grab a brick and throw it in a wide-open hot air ven...ahem...mouth, belonging to one of that repugnant breed

Also, to quote, 'most system apps are just apps used by the system'

Add that to the flying brick list System apps, being used by the OS? really? I am absolutely gobsmacked.

[Jack]

Calling things "apps" is just the hip thing to do these days.

Thinking more about this. Is it just hip, though? Would you say the current use of app refers to applications which are tailored to hand held devices?

[Calandale]

Thinking more about this. Is it just hip, though? Would you say the current use of app refers to applications which are tailored to hand held devices?

Not when Microsoft decides that every program you might run on W10 is an 'app' - regardless of whether it's
unusable on a phone.

[Jack]

Thinking more about this. Is it just hip, though? Would you say the current use of app refers to applications which are tailored to hand held devices?

Not when Microsoft decides that every program you might run on W10 is an 'app' - regardless of whether it's
unusable on a phone.

[Minister Of Silly Walks]

"App" is a very loose definition that is obviously evolving over time. Like I pointed out before, "application" had a very different meaning when I started out in IT. But then again (dad joke alert) I used to ride a dinosaur to work.

It's a word that people find useful even if the exact meaning is difficult to nail down. It's generally only when you're neurologically predisposed to be annoyed by loose definitions that it becomes a problem.

At my previous job we used to work on apps, release apps to the app store, stuff like that all the time. Nobody every had any problem with knowing what an app was vs what a batch program or a fix job was. The subject of the meaning of those words never even came up.

[odeon]

Calling things "apps" is just the hip thing to do these days.

Thinking more about this. Is it just hip, though? Would you say the current use of app refers to applications which are tailored to hand held devices?

No, I think it's about taking advantage of the fact that programs on mobile devices are called apps - the big change is that you now have an "app store" on the desktop, too. It's about marketing, about the desktop fighting for relevance in an age when the younger generations do everything on their mobiles.

[odeon]

Thinking more about this. Is it just hip, though? Would you say the current use of app refers to applications which are tailored to hand held devices?

Not when Microsoft decides that every program you might run on W10 is an 'app' - regardless of whether it's
unusable on a phone.

Read this after posting my reply. Yup, this is absolutely correct.

[odeon]

Oh, and one more thing: various Linux distros now also use the term for their software but they've had the equivalent of an app store pretty much since they were first conceived.