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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #270 on: January 05, 2009, 05:14:49 PM »
If anyone one here could be construed to be bullying, it would be Odeon with his Ad Hom nonsense.

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #271 on: January 05, 2009, 05:16:59 PM »
I do not understand why you feel you need odeon to express his opinion, if he has any, on the solution to bullying in schools. Do you require it in order to believe his assertion that you idea is broken? I mean I doubt that would be anywhere near enough for you to sway you beliefs. So all that I am left with is that you wish to publicly ridicule his ideas. I fail to see how that us useful and I also believe that odeon isn't that stupid to play into your juvenile game here.

Please feel free to point out how I'm wrong, I don't want to be left out here  :green:
Because he has dismissed myself and Lit's solutions out of hand on a society says so argument - without presenting any solutions at all, let alone any better ones. If he does actually have some good ideas here then I would like to hear them - especially if they are actually viable.

But the point here our assertion is the best one - he just lacks any opposition. I (and I am sure Lit agrees with me here) that cowering behind none existant ideas is not a way to debate properly - if anything here Odeon is the one being juvenile here.

:LMAO:

So let's hear it. How do you propose to implement a meritocracy? Or failing that, tell us how you think a few people can bring down society? And I want details, not sweeping statements or blaming the bottle.

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By means of using what resources end up in my hands - clearly if I am to form a strategy I would have to consider what I have. But lets assume I become in charge of a government, my implementation would be by setting up a bureau of jobs to regulate the job market and reforming the educational system so no one can buy educational advantage. Ensuring I retain a fair and effective welfare state to go with it completes the package.

As for the latter question, there are two methods I see. The first is rather predictably terrorism - well targeted and executed. The second is by construction of a religion/ideology which conveniently fits the goal of destroying society. Or even better a combination of the two approaches.

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #272 on: January 05, 2009, 05:20:10 PM »
I do not understand why you feel you need odeon to express his opinion, if he has any, on the solution to bullying in schools. Do you require it in order to believe his assertion that you idea is broken? I mean I doubt that would be anywhere near enough for you to sway you beliefs. So all that I am left with is that you wish to publicly ridicule his ideas. I fail to see how that us useful and I also believe that odeon isn't that stupid to play into your juvenile game here.

Please feel free to point out how I'm wrong, I don't want to be left out here  :green:
Because he has dismissed myself and Lit's solutions out of hand on a society says so argument - without presenting any solutions at all, let alone any better ones. If he does actually have some good ideas here then I would like to hear them - especially if they are actually viable.

But the point here our assertion is the best one - he just lacks any opposition. I (and I am sure Lit agrees with me here) that cowering behind none existant ideas is not a way to debate properly - if anything here Odeon is the one being juvenile here.

:LMAO:

So let's hear it. How do you propose to implement a meritocracy? Or failing that, tell us how you think a few people can bring down society? And I want details, not sweeping statements or blaming the bottle.

:chicken:
By means of using what resources end up in my hands - clearly if I am to form a strategy I would have to consider what I have. But lets assume I become in charge of a government, my implementation would be by setting up a bureau of jobs to regulate the job market and reforming the educational system so no one can buy educational advantage. Ensuring I retain a fair and effective welfare state to go with it completes the package.

As for the latter question, there are two methods I see. The first is rather predictably terrorism - well targeted and executed. The second is by construction of a religion/ideology which conveniently fits the goal of destroying society. Or even better a combination of the two approaches.

The religion of anarcho-autism.  8)

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #273 on: January 05, 2009, 05:20:36 PM »
None of those methods works. There was never equality under social democrat rule. That's why the socialist states fail, one after another--the ideology does not work. And anarchy--please; show me a working example of anarchy, anywhere.

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That rule applies to any ideology, the underlying principle being that empires always fall over a period of time. That is not a flaw of socialism, merely a flaw of any system. It might be worth you noting the recent fall of capitalism - and the decline of US hegemony.

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #274 on: January 05, 2009, 05:34:09 PM »
I do not understand why you feel you need odeon to express his opinion, if he has any, on the solution to bullying in schools. Do you require it in order to believe his assertion that you idea is broken? I mean I doubt that would be anywhere near enough for you to sway you beliefs. So all that I am left with is that you wish to publicly ridicule his ideas. I fail to see how that us useful and I also believe that odeon isn't that stupid to play into your juvenile game here.

Please feel free to point out how I'm wrong, I don't want to be left out here  :green:
Because he has dismissed myself and Lit's solutions out of hand on a society says so argument - without presenting any solutions at all, let alone any better ones. If he does actually have some good ideas here then I would like to hear them - especially if they are actually viable.

But the point here our assertion is the best one - he just lacks any opposition. I (and I am sure Lit agrees with me here) that cowering behind none existant ideas is not a way to debate properly - if anything here Odeon is the one being juvenile here.

:LMAO:

So let's hear it. How do you propose to implement a meritocracy? Or failing that, tell us how you think a few people can bring down society? And I want details, not sweeping statements or blaming the bottle.

:chicken:
By means of using what resources end up in my hands - clearly if I am to form a strategy I would have to consider what I have. But lets assume I become in charge of a government, my implementation would be by setting up a bureau of jobs to regulate the job market and reforming the educational system so no one can buy educational advantage. Ensuring I retain a fair and effective welfare state to go with it completes the package.

As for the latter question, there are two methods I see. The first is rather predictably terrorism - well targeted and executed. The second is by construction of a religion/ideology which conveniently fits the goal of destroying society. Or even better a combination of the two approaches.

The religion of anarcho-autism.  8)
If you want to get involved in setting up such a thing, it might be worth getting involved in the current extreme-left groups organising the riots in France and Greece.

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #275 on: January 05, 2009, 05:35:24 PM »
They're brave but they're left. I want right wing anarchy.  :-\

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #276 on: January 05, 2009, 05:45:20 PM »
I do not understand why you feel you need odeon to express his opinion, if he has any, on the solution to bullying in schools. Do you require it in order to believe his assertion that you idea is broken? I mean I doubt that would be anywhere near enough for you to sway you beliefs. So all that I am left with is that you wish to publicly ridicule his ideas. I fail to see how that us useful and I also believe that odeon isn't that stupid to play into your juvenile game here.

Please feel free to point out how I'm wrong, I don't want to be left out here  :green:
Because he has dismissed myself and Lit's solutions out of hand on a society says so argument - without presenting any solutions at all, let alone any better ones. If he does actually have some good ideas here then I would like to hear them - especially if they are actually viable.

But the point here our assertion is the best one - he just lacks any opposition. I (and I am sure Lit agrees with me here) that cowering behind none existant ideas is not a way to debate properly - if anything here Odeon is the one being juvenile here.

:LMAO:

So let's hear it. How do you propose to implement a meritocracy? Or failing that, tell us how you think a few people can bring down society? And I want details, not sweeping statements or blaming the bottle.

:chicken:
By means of using what resources end up in my hands - clearly if I am to form a strategy I would have to consider what I have. But lets assume I become in charge of a government, my implementation would be by setting up a bureau of jobs to regulate the job market and reforming the educational system so no one can buy educational advantage. Ensuring I retain a fair and effective welfare state to go with it completes the package.

See, this is why you won't ever be in charge of anything, let alone a government. Nobody would elect you and nobody would follow you if you attempted a more violent path, because you're simply too far out there to be of any use. You seem to be advocating a form of socialism that, as far as I know, never worked, though, which I find amusing. One would think that you'd have read your history books. The Soviet Union was bankrupt when it fell, you do know that, right?

You haven't actually explained anything. No details, nothing on how you'd actually convince anyone to give away their personal belongings, starting from the little things at home to the larger ones at a company wishing to hire the best man for the job. Remember me suggesting you to send your computer to Somalia? I wasn't kidding.

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As for the latter question, there are two methods I see. The first is rather predictably terrorism - well targeted and executed. The second is by construction of a religion/ideology which conveniently fits the goal of destroying society. Or even better a combination of the two approaches.

Again, sweeping statements full of nothing, really. You know, of course, that there are already quite large numbers of terrorists out there, trying their best to if not destroy the world, then at least annoy it a little. They've sort of managed the latter but they are nowhere near to bringing down anything.

And re constructing an ideology or religion, what makes you think that a) you could be inventive enough, considering the fact that you haven't convinced anyone here so far, and b) that your new ideology wouldn't join the ranks of scientology and others, becoming part of the society rather than something outside it?

All in all, you remind me of a Harlan Ellison short story, one with the hero trapped in a sinking boat in the middle of a river full of crocodiles, piranhas and whatnot, and with cannibals chasing him along the shores. Ellison spent pages to set up that hopeless situation, only to resolve it with one sentence (and I'm paraphrasing because it's been close to thirty years since I read that one) "he swam ashore, avoiding the crocodiles and escaping the cannibals."

Hey, Wandrew, can you remember what the story was called and where I can find it?
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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #277 on: January 05, 2009, 05:46:29 PM »
I do not understand why you feel you need odeon to express his opinion, if he has any, on the solution to bullying in schools. Do you require it in order to believe his assertion that you idea is broken? I mean I doubt that would be anywhere near enough for you to sway you beliefs. So all that I am left with is that you wish to publicly ridicule his ideas. I fail to see how that us useful and I also believe that odeon isn't that stupid to play into your juvenile game here.

Please feel free to point out how I'm wrong, I don't want to be left out here  :green:
Because he has dismissed myself and Lit's solutions out of hand on a society says so argument - without presenting any solutions at all, let alone any better ones. If he does actually have some good ideas here then I would like to hear them - especially if they are actually viable.

But the point here our assertion is the best one - he just lacks any opposition. I (and I am sure Lit agrees with me here) that cowering behind none existant ideas is not a way to debate properly - if anything here Odeon is the one being juvenile here.

:LMAO:

So let's hear it. How do you propose to implement a meritocracy? Or failing that, tell us how you think a few people can bring down society? And I want details, not sweeping statements or blaming the bottle.

:chicken:
By means of using what resources end up in my hands - clearly if I am to form a strategy I would have to consider what I have. But lets assume I become in charge of a government, my implementation would be by setting up a bureau of jobs to regulate the job market and reforming the educational system so no one can buy educational advantage. Ensuring I retain a fair and effective welfare state to go with it completes the package.

As for the latter question, there are two methods I see. The first is rather predictably terrorism - well targeted and executed. The second is by construction of a religion/ideology which conveniently fits the goal of destroying society. Or even better a combination of the two approaches.

The religion of anarcho-autism.  8)

The religion of anarcho-moronism, rather. Being autistic does not equal being stupid, even with you two trying to even the score.
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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #278 on: January 05, 2009, 06:25:07 PM »
They're brave but they're left. I want right wing anarchy.  :-\
Anarchy involving largely religious fundamentalists. I think I would pass...

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #279 on: January 05, 2009, 06:32:35 PM »
I do not understand why you feel you need odeon to express his opinion, if he has any, on the solution to bullying in schools. Do you require it in order to believe his assertion that you idea is broken? I mean I doubt that would be anywhere near enough for you to sway you beliefs. So all that I am left with is that you wish to publicly ridicule his ideas. I fail to see how that us useful and I also believe that odeon isn't that stupid to play into your juvenile game here.

Please feel free to point out how I'm wrong, I don't want to be left out here  :green:
Because he has dismissed myself and Lit's solutions out of hand on a society says so argument - without presenting any solutions at all, let alone any better ones. If he does actually have some good ideas here then I would like to hear them - especially if they are actually viable.

But the point here our assertion is the best one - he just lacks any opposition. I (and I am sure Lit agrees with me here) that cowering behind none existant ideas is not a way to debate properly - if anything here Odeon is the one being juvenile here.

:LMAO:

So let's hear it. How do you propose to implement a meritocracy? Or failing that, tell us how you think a few people can bring down society? And I want details, not sweeping statements or blaming the bottle.

:chicken:
By means of using what resources end up in my hands - clearly if I am to form a strategy I would have to consider what I have. But lets assume I become in charge of a government, my implementation would be by setting up a bureau of jobs to regulate the job market and reforming the educational system so no one can buy educational advantage. Ensuring I retain a fair and effective welfare state to go with it completes the package.

See, this is why you won't ever be in charge of anything, let alone a government. Nobody would elect you and nobody would follow you if you attempted a more violent path, because you're simply too far out there to be of any use. You seem to be advocating a form of socialism that, as far as I know, never worked, though, which I find amusing. One would think that you'd have read your history books. The Soviet Union was bankrupt when it fell, you do know that, right?

You haven't actually explained anything. No details, nothing on how you'd actually convince anyone to give away their personal belongings, starting from the little things at home to the larger ones at a company wishing to hire the best man for the job. Remember me suggesting you to send your computer to Somalia? I wasn't kidding.
I have never advocated any form of redistribution of wealth here beyond what you currently have in your own country right now, at this minute. I am advocating a redistribution of opportunity, which is something totally different. The only restriction here is restricting someone buying educational advantage and a bureau of jobs to stop people hiring their chums - a system which effectively operates in government organisations when hiring anyway in some places. Basically its a restriction of parents ability to pass on wealth to their children, a little like inheritance tax if you like.
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As for the latter question, there are two methods I see. The first is rather predictably terrorism - well targeted and executed. The second is by construction of a religion/ideology which conveniently fits the goal of destroying society. Or even better a combination of the two approaches.

Again, sweeping statements full of nothing, really. You know, of course, that there are already quite large numbers of terrorists out there, trying their best to if not destroy the world, then at least annoy it a little. They've sort of managed the latter but they are nowhere near to bringing down anything.
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Most of them with a vacuum between their ears. An aspie terrorist group would be a lot smarter.

Oh - you might want to look up Israel. That nation was built by a terrorist movement.
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And re constructing an ideology or religion, what makes you think that a) you could be inventive enough, considering the fact that you haven't convinced anyone here so far, and b) that your new ideology wouldn't join the ranks of scientology and others, becoming part of the society rather than something outside it?

All in all, you remind me of a Harlan Ellison short story, one with the hero trapped in a sinking boat in the middle of a river full of crocodiles, piranhas and whatnot, and with cannibals chasing him along the shores. Ellison spent pages to set up that hopeless situation, only to resolve it with one sentence (and I'm paraphrasing because it's been close to thirty years since I read that one) "he swam ashore, avoiding the crocodiles and escaping the cannibals."

Hey, Wandrew, can you remember what the story was called and where I can find it?
In person I am pretty effective at persuading people who are odds with society on a one on one basis - I could use that as a basis. You are right though in that (b) would be a difficult problem. Though there is nothing wrong with (b) not being fully achieved in the short term if you make it a distinct enough subset.

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #280 on: January 05, 2009, 07:24:58 PM »
If anyone one here could be construed to be bullying, it would be Odeon with his Ad Hom nonsense.

 :agreed: :plus:

Um, you guys have all been throwing meaningless ad hom crap at each other. Don't make yourself out to be victims; you're not.
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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #281 on: January 05, 2009, 08:02:01 PM »

Most of them with a vacuum between their ears. An aspie terrorist group would be a lot smarter.

Oh - you might want to look up Israel. That nation was built by a terrorist movement.

 :agreed:

They're brave and they've killed a lot of towelheads. :arrr: Aspie terrorism ftw! Aspergiae est imperare orbi universo!  8)

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #282 on: January 05, 2009, 08:55:12 PM »
None of those methods works. There was never equality under social democrat rule. That's why the socialist states fail, one after another--the ideology does not work. And anarchy--please; show me a working example of anarchy, anywhere.

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There is no working example of anarchy because no one has tried it on anything larger than a communal scale. Doesn't mean it won't work. My thought is that we're evolving into an anarchist society, but the masses aren't quite ready to give up this idea that government can fix everything. Based on recent polls regarding Bush and the bailout, however, I'd say they're leaning more towards libertarianism--or "anarchy light," if you prefer. What pisses me off is that, even with mass disapproval, Congress and Obama will probably go ahead with the Big Three bailout as well as creating hundreds of thousands of gov't jobs by upping the tax rate. This in a time of economic crisis. Ask any decent economist and s/he'll tell you that FDR's New Deal didn't curtail the economic depression; it *extended* it by creating jobs at the expense of taxpayers and business people, curtailing their abilities to make purchases, hire more workers and innovate. It's possible we could have had stereo records and TV five years earlier than we did if not for the New Deal. If not for War Two, the Depression might have lasted even longer. (At least FDR had the sense to end Prohibition and resume taxing alcohol consumption.) And now Obama's New New Deal threatens to sabotage economic turnaround before it can get properly started. Townsend was right: Meet the new boss--same as the old boss.
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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #283 on: January 05, 2009, 10:04:16 PM »
None of those methods works. There was never equality under social democrat rule. That's why the socialist states fail, one after another--the ideology does not work. And anarchy--please; show me a working example of anarchy, anywhere.

:popcorn:

There is no working example of anarchy because no one has tried it on anything larger than a communal scale.
Oh there is an entire anarchist country - it isn't going to well there. Well except for the pirates anyway.
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Doesn't mean it won't work. My thought is that we're evolving into an anarchist society, but the masses aren't quite ready to give up this idea that government can fix everything.
Nah - the credit crunch is going to increase the role of government, not reduce it.
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Based on recent polls regarding Bush and the bailout, however, I'd say they're leaning more towards libertarianism--or "anarchy light," if you prefer. What pisses me off is that, even with mass disapproval, Congress and Obama will probably go ahead with the Big Three bailout as well as creating hundreds of thousands of gov't jobs by upping the tax rate. This in a time of economic crisis.
The big three bailout is Keynesian economics - completely different to new deal. As for creating more government jobs, its a good idea. The Japanese really sorted themselves out this way, the result being that they are one of the most technologically advanced nations on Earth, as well as having the best transport network.
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Ask any decent economist and s/he'll tell you that FDR's New Deal didn't curtail the economic depression; it *extended* it by creating jobs at the expense of taxpayers and business people, curtailing their abilities to make purchases, hire more workers and innovate.
According to one school of though (Keynesian) it may have done.
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It's possible we could have had stereo records and TV five years earlier than we did if not for the New Deal.
As well as having millions more on the streets.
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If not for War Two, the Depression might have lasted even longer. (At least FDR had the sense to end Prohibition and resume taxing alcohol consumption.) And now Obama's New New Deal threatens to sabotage economic turnaround before it can get properly started. Townsend was right: Meet the new boss--same as the old boss.
No - it is going to bring necessary social justice.

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Re: blast from the past - new info on a bad teacher I hate, decades later
« Reply #284 on: January 06, 2009, 03:08:30 AM »
I do not understand why you feel you need odeon to express his opinion, if he has any, on the solution to bullying in schools. Do you require it in order to believe his assertion that you idea is broken? I mean I doubt that would be anywhere near enough for you to sway you beliefs. So all that I am left with is that you wish to publicly ridicule his ideas. I fail to see how that us useful and I also believe that odeon isn't that stupid to play into your juvenile game here.

Please feel free to point out how I'm wrong, I don't want to be left out here  :green:

odeon is ridiculing other people in this topic as well as others, but he doesn't come up with a solution of his own. You don't have to give a solution of your own just for critizing others, but it makes you lee trustworthy.

So it's just a dumb rule you have made up to bully someone (which doesn't seem to be working) into giving forth their opinion in order for you to pick it apart because you are insecure in exposing the failings of your own idea?

Sounds like NT bullshit trickery to me.
If anyone one here could be construed to be bullying, it would be Odeon with his Ad Hom nonsense.

I'll have to remember that one, point out obvious flaws is now considered bullying.

Aren't you two supposed to be tough or something? I mean at least you talk that way (  :wanker: ).